In the Legislative Assembly on July 27th, 1999. See this topic in context.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier on the new building for the Yellowknife Correctional Centre. Did Cabinet have an opportunity when they were considering building a new correctional centre in Yellowknife, did Cabinet have an opportunity to make any other decision other than to award this multimillion dollar capital project to our capital city? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the Cabinet discussion there was an initiative that was put forward by the Minister that is responsible for corrections, the Minister of Justice. In putting his case forward to the Cabinet during the discussions, it was a number of points that were regarded in order to come to this decision and it was one of the items on an agenda, which we dealt with and it was changes that we considered in looking at this project. The project, the decision has been to, we never really discussed putting it in any other place because the decision was already made to put it here in Yellowknife. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The decision had been made to renovate an existing facility, so Cabinet had the opportunity to consider other regions. Cabinet had the opportunity to consider spreading the wealth. Cabinet had the opportunity to consider boosting up other economies other than Yellowknife, other regions. Did Cabinet consider any of those things when they made a decision on building a brand new correctional facility and was it a political decision? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. The Minister that is responsible for corrections, the Minister of Justice, has reviewed this whole initiative like the honourable Member is talking about, and he brought his recommendations forward to the Cabinet and then we debated and we agreed to make the decision that we did. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Everyone in this House and everyone clear across the Western Territories has heard the Minister of Finance say that we have a limited amount of dollars. Cabinet is well aware that you have a limited capital budget, but yet, they choose not to look at other regions. You choose not to consider other communities to try to spread out the wealth and share with other people in the Northwest Territories other than spending the majority of our dollars in the city of Yellowknife? Is this what the Premier is saying? Ultimately, on any decision, it is my understanding that Cabinet, that is what we put them there for, is to make those decisions, make those political decisions. So, to the Premier, did you make a political decision to increase

the capital expenditures in the city of Yellowknife and ignore the other regions of the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

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July 26th, 1999

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, whenever the Cabinet reviews and assesses this research, we do not take it lightly. We take it very seriously. It is not something that we just go over without considering the things that the honourable Member is saying. We do consider all of these things. These are all very important. However, the correctional institute is here, the decision was made a long time before I got involved that the correctional centre is here and the decision was made before I got involved as a Premier, I was in Cabinet, to make a major renovation to the existing infrastructure that is there. The decision to relocate the young offenders facility was made here last year. So, you have two facilities, the Minister has indicated that he has reviewed and researched thoroughly and assessed the situation and the decision was not made lightly. It is the Cabinet's view that considering everything, the cost and everything, the best and most cost-effective decision in light of the information that we had at that time, we can only make decisions with the information that we have in front of us. We all know that and this is in a situation and the Cabinet had the best information that we could and the best and most cost effective decision and with that we made the decision to do this.

This is an ongoing thing. This is the money that was allocated to renovate the correctional institute is substantial. The money to build a whole new young offenders facility is substantial and then, if you combine it, rather than renovating what we have and building a new facility, cost-effective wise and assessing, if you combine it in building a new facility, in the long run you have some cost savings. This is where I agree with the honourable Member where you have to look at the costs of these things. There are limited funds, but the decision was made already and approved to spend huge amounts of money towards renovating the facility that is there and the fire marshal says we have to do something about it. We all agree that we are going to do something about it. As well as the youth facility is required and the decision was made to make it here. So, if what the honourable Member is saying is to renovate the existing facility with the way it was originally agreed upon, you renovate it over the period of time that was originally put forward and build a whole new youth facility. We could go ahead and do that. In the long run it is going to cost more to do that. In our view, it would be cost-effective and it would be quicker to build if we combine them in building a new facility. This is the decision that this Cabinet made. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Premier, I guess I should make it clear in case he was not listening. I never ever did say to renovate the existing facility. I do not believe that makes a lot of sense from the information that I see. It makes sense, it makes all the sense in the world to build a new facility. When you change the scope of work of the project from a renovation of an existing facility in any community to building a brand new facility that will house people for the whole Northwest Territories it is something completely different.

This Cabinet had the opportunity to show some political will and strong political decision making. It has happened in the past, Mr. Speaker. When I first became a Member of the Legislative Assembly, I remember River Ridge being moved to Fort Smith. It did not make economic sense, it was a hardship on all the professional people that were based in Yellowknife, but the Cabinet of the day made that decision because it diversed the economy to other regions. Is the Premier now saying that Cabinet is not willing to do those things anymore, is everything going to be built in Yellowknife? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Member is talking about when he first got into the Legislative Assembly. He got into the Legislative Assembly before me when the government of the day had lots of money to spend. As you know, in the last couple of years we have had to cut back drastically and the Finance Minister has also indicated that the next two years do not look too good. We may even have to consider cutting back some more, whoever gets into the next government. We have to take all that into consideration very seriously. We cannot take that very lightly.

No, not everything is being built in Yellowknife. I think we are building a hospital in Inuvik and there are colleges going up, I think in Fort Smith and Inuvik and there are facilities going up in the small communities as well. Sure, it looks like this decision to build this facility here in Yellowknife is only concentrated in Yellowknife, but this decision was made a number of years ago. We are just carrying through with a decision that was made to spend the money on the correctional facilities and the young offenders. That was the decision that was made. It was made to spend money on the correctional centre and the young offenders and we are just looking at ways of how to make it cost-effective to try to do the same thing. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen.