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Return To Written Question 1-14(2): Nunavut Contracts
Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents.

Tabled Document 36-14(2): Policies Of The Board Of Management
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

In accordance with section 42(2) of the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, I wish to table the Policies of the Board of Management in Respect to the Indemnities and Allowances payable to Members.

And further, in accordance with Section 42(3) of the act, I wish to table all the other policies of the Board of Management. I would like to indicate that these policies are also available to the public on the Legislative Assembly's web site. Thank you.

Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motion for the first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker,

WHEREAS the closure of Giant Mine has had a devastating effect on former employees and the City of Yellowknife;

AND WHEREAS Royal Oak Mines made no effort to be a responsible employer, and ensure that severance for all employees and pension entitlements for hourly employees were in place;

AND WHEREAS Royal Oak Mines under funded the workers' pension funds, which will result in a 25 percent cut to the retirees' pensions as of April 1, 2000;

AND WHEREAS this corporate pension under funding is permitted under the federal Pension Benefits Act;

AND WHEREAS a negotiated arrangement, in which a federal government department played a role by allowing these circumstances to continue;

AND WHEREAS the cuts to the pensions and severance payments for former Giant Mine workers will adversely affect these individuals, their families and the community as a whole;

AND WHEREAS federal legislation provides little or no relief for protection to the former employees of Giant Mine, or any other Canadian workers who are adversely affected by corporate closures and bankruptcies;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that this Legislative Assembly urges the Government of Canada to take immediate action to provide the full earned pension entitlement and severance due former employees and pensioners of Royal Oak Giant Mine, as of the date of the mine's closure.

AND FURTHER, that this Legislature request the Government of Canada to amend the Pension Benefits Act and the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act to protect the rights and interest of all Canadian workers, so that this unfair and unacceptable situation does not occur again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. The motion is in order. To the motion. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to urge all Members of this House to vote in favour of this motion. Mr. Speaker, former workers at Giant Mine were notified in mid-February that the pension fund for hourly workers was under funded. That means that as of April 1, 2000, former workers will lose approximately 25 percent of their pension.

Mr. Speaker, this affects 59 workers immediately, and many more who will be affected as they retire. These pension cutbacks will also impact on widows who are beneficiaries of their late husbands' pensions. Mr. Speaker, as this was a non-contributory pension fund, the union had no control over it and no information on the status of the fund.

As well as the pension, Mr. Speaker, there is the issue of the 250 workers who were laid off in October of 1999, who have not yet received a severance package. Mr. Speaker, the way these people have been treated by their former employers is absolutely disgraceful. I think the federal government should be ashamed that their legislation continues and sanctions this treatment.

Mr. Speaker, I hope that with this motion, the federal government will consider the importance of changing federal bankruptcy, labour, and pension laws to ensure that this does not happen to other workers in Canada. There is another issue that brings this even further into focus. I recently became aware, Mr. Speaker, that in 1997, Royal Oak Pension Committee invested funds in Royal Oak shares even though the company was already in trouble at the time. The workers had no idea that this was happening. I think that this indicates that we really do need the Government of Canada to have another look at pension fund legislation.

Mr. Speaker, there is broad public support for the action requested by this motion. Recently, a petition bearing more than 1700 signatures was delivered by the Citizens Support Group to Ethel Blondin-Andrew, and to NDP labour critic Pat Martin.

Mr. Speaker, as you know, Members for Yellowknife, at their constituents meeting, heard from a number of former workers at Giant Mine, how this is going to affect them personally. I think we were all moved by Mary Kosta's action in support of the workers with her hunger strike.

Mr. Speaker, because DIAND facilitated the sale of Giant Mine to Miramar Mine, and knew that the pension fund was under-funded, I believe that the federal government should take some responsibility as requested in this motion, in making up the shortfall. Mr. Speaker, I would urge all Members of this House to vote in favour of this motion. If we can demonstrate unanimous support, perhaps the Ministers responsible, Jim Peterson, who is Secretary of State for Financial Institutions, and Robert Nault, who is the Minister responsible for the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, will do the right thing and provide the members of this association, the former workers at Royal Oak Giant Mine, with the support that they deserve. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. To the motion. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to urge all Members to vote in favour of this motion here today. I think that we have all seen the federal government drag their feet on this issue for too long. I think sometimes governments get caught up in being too worried about setting precedent, and how this will affect other bankruptcies in the future, and I do not think that we can look to that. I think that we have to take some action now.

I think that we also have to see workers come to the front of the line in bankruptcy situations. There are serious flaws in our bankruptcy legislation, and we need to address them. The workers have poured their blood, sweat and tears into this community and into this country. They are about to receive a 25 percent reduction in their pensions. I think it is disgraceful.

I think we have to urge the federal government to take action and take action now. I would also like to ask for a recorded vote. Thank you.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell. To the motion. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

March 26th, 2000

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak in favour of this motion, and I urge the House to vote in favour of it. I rise also with a very heavy heart about the issue that we are dealing with. It has been an issue that has frustrated me as an elected representative of this House over the last six months.

Mr. Speaker, I feel a very heavy heart, because this motion that we are passing is such a small act, in light of all of the vision and actions that have been taken by so many people in this community who really share the severity of the predicament that the workers face.

As Mr. Dent has indicated, he has outlined the facts behind this case. When we were in the constituency meeting, Mary Kosta, the wife of one of the pensioners, begged us to pass this motion. Mr. Speaker, I am not comfortable having to beg, I want to be in a position, as an elected official, to be able to do something more concrete than to stand here and beg the federal officials to do something. This is only a small act, on top of so many different things.

Mr. Speaker, I can tell you that during my election campaign, I met with many people in my riding who are directly affected by this. Not only the 60 workers who are going to be on pension which will be cut by 25 percent as of April 1, 2000. I am also talking about so many workers who are in a total state of shock.

I will never forget the look, when I walked into so many doors on Stevens Court, on Magrum Crescent, on Borden Drive, on Rivett Crescent. Speaking to these men who have worked for years at the mine, who are too old to start something new without a lot of assistance, but are too young to retire. They looked at me as though there was nothing I can do, that this was so unfair. I hoped so much that I could do something for them. I started to see, after looking at it from the legal perspective, I looked at the territorial legislation, I met with the department of Indian Affairs officials, and I talked to our Member of Parliament. I could not do anything but send sympathy and my thoughts to Mary Kosta while she was on a hunger strike. The answer is, there is nothing we can do. This is not good enough, Mr. Speaker.

I understand that this motion has to do with amending the federal legislation so the same thing does not happen to other workers in other parts of Canada. I am not so sure what good that is going to do to those pensioners who are going to take a 25 percent cut as of April 1, 2000. Or for those workers who did not get their severance pay, and who have to line up behind an amount of no less than $1.6 billion being claimed in bankruptcy hearings. Mr. Speaker, that is just not fair. These workers should not be forced to line up behind $1.6 billion of other claims.

Mr. Speaker, I realize that all I can do right now is to plead to the Minister responsible for financial institutions. But I would like to think that, as an elected representative, I could somehow be the voice for those people I met, Mr. Willy, Mr. Laniger, Mr. Delaney, those people who made a public position. I feel comfortable in naming their names. There are a lot of unnamed people in my riding that I have to speak for. I would also like to speak for those who are not just on hourly pay, but those workers who are on salary, who looked at me and said "what about me?"

Mr. Speaker, my suggestion to the Minister responsible for financial institutions is please do not be hung up on the precedents issue. Please think of these people as individuals, who are going to have a very personal impact on their livelihood as a result of lack of action by him and by the Minister responsible for Indian Affairs, and perhaps the Prime Minister.

I am trying to take comfort in the fact that our Member of Parliament has been doing something. I have been in contact with her. I know she is trying to do something. If this motion could help her in any way... I also appreciate the fact that this comes at the end of the other motion that was passed by the City of Yellowknife and the councillors.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak out to make it clear to the Minister responsible for financial institutions that this is not a regular, precedent-setting situation. The deal between Miramar-Con Mine and Giant Mine could not have gone through without the direct involvement of the Department of Indian Affairs. This is not just about a commercial transaction. I have said it in public at the constituency meeting, and I will say that again. If you look at the trustees' report, the transaction went through the Department of Indian Affairs. The Department of Indian Affairs was a titleholder of this property before it passed from Giant Mine to Con Mine.

I do not begrudge whatever Miramar-Con Mine was able to get out of this deal. I am in fact glad that something was able to happen there, and that we were able to salvage as few jobs as we were able to. My point, Mr. Speaker, is that in the process, when they were talking about how to transfer assets, how to address the cleanup problem, they had completely forgotten the needs of the workers. When you are thinking about under-funded pension plans, we are not talking about a lot of money. We are talking about maybe $2 million to replenish this pension fund.

Mr. Speaker, I want to say at the same time, there is a trust set up to look after the cleanup of the arsenic at Giant Mine. When I posed this question to the DIAND official, he said, "we have to look after the environment, but we are not obliged to provide for workers". Mr. Speaker, I do not for one moment think that environmental cleanup and the arsenic is a small problem. We have a huge problem sitting there, and it could cost between $300 million and $500 million to do so. But surely, Mr. Speaker, the people and their financial security, their pension and severance package entitlements are as important as the environmental cleanup. I say to the Minister responsible for financial institutions and the Minister responsible for Indian Affairs, that they have the responsibility to do something about it.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that addresses my points. I am not at all confident what the Minister is going to do, but I do hope that this motion today, which I hope will be unanimous, will send a strong message to the Minister that he has an option to do something. He has an option, as politicians always do when they want to, to find a way to replenish the under-funded pension and to address the severance pay for the workers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. To the motion. The honourable Member for Great Slave, Mr. Braden.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too support this motion and urge every Member of this Assembly to join in and send a signal to Ottawa, and support our Member of Parliament in her efforts. It is also apparent, Mr. Speaker, that the clock is ticking. The federal government has a year-end coming up in just four short days. My understanding is that is very significant to some actions that could be taken. I hope that once this Assembly does pass this motion, it is transmitted to Ottawa post-haste, and lends our voice to any action they can take.

I would also like to address, Mr. Speaker, along with this very disturbing issue, the other legacies of the Giant Mine that are left in the wake of the bankruptcy. Definitely the pension issue and the unfairness to those employees is number one on the list. There is another significant one that is still unresolved and that is the matter of layoff notice, as described not only in our own labour laws, but in contracts that the miners had, which are still unresolved.

Mr. Speaker, there are hundreds of creditors in Yellowknife, the Northwest Territories and Canada who were left holding the bag when Royal Oak was forced to close. Our own city has already dealt with the matter of a very large back-tax bill. Our own government has an exposure of about $1.7 million on bad debt to the Northwest Territories Power Corporation that will never be resolved.

Mr. Speaker, my colleague, Ms. Lee, has already addressed the yet unresolved legacy of the surface and the underground cleanup. We are still engaged with our own Workers' Compensation Board in action regarding the widows of the blast several years ago.

Mr. Speaker, the legacy of Giant Mine is something that will continue to haunt this community and this Assembly. Let us deal with it responsibly and compassionately. We will have more on our plate over the coming years. I am confident of that. We are doing the right thing today with our action on behalf of the pensioners. Once again, I speak in support of the motion. Thank you.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Braden. To the motion. Question has been called. Mr. Dent.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have a lot to add. I would like to thank the Members who have spoken in favour of this motion. Again, I would urge all Members to make this a unanimous motion. I would like to reiterate the call for a recorded vote, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Question has been called. The Member is requesting a recorded vote. Mr. Clerk. All those in favour, please rise.

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Dent, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. McLeod, Mr. Bell, Mr. Nitah, Mr. Braden, Mr. Steen, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Kakfwi, Mr. Handley, Mr. Allen, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Delorey, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Lee and Mr. Roland.

-- Applause

Motion 12-14(2): Support For Pension Entitlements Due To Former Giant Mine Workers (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

All those opposed? Abstentions? The results of the vote are 17 in favour. There are no nays and no abstentions. The motion is carried unanimously.

-- Applause

Item 16, motions. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

Motion 13-14(2): Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker,

I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Weledeh, that the Speaker is authorized to set such sitting days and hours as the Speaker, after consultation, deems fit to assist with the business before the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 13-14(2): Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker (carried)
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. There is a motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills.

Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters. Minister's Statement 1-14(2), Sessional Statement; Tabled Document 14-14(2), our Communities, Our Decisions: Let's Get on With It!; Bill 1, An Act to Amend the Education Act; Bill 3, An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act; Bill 6, Interim Appropriation Act, 2000-2001; Committee Report 2-14(2), Accountability and Oversight on the 2000-2001 Interim Appropriation; Committee Report 3-14(2), Governance and Economic Development on the 2000-2001 Interim Appropriation; and Committee Report 4-14(2), Social Programs on the 2000-2001 Interim Appropriation.

Prior to going into committee, by the authority given the Speaker by Motion 13-14(2), the committee of the whole may sit past adjournment until it is prepared to report. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters, with Mr. Krutko in the chair.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

I would like to call the committee to order. We are reviewing a number of items in committee of the whole at this time, I would like to ask, what is the wish of the committee? Mr. Dent.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to recommend that we continue consideration of Bill 6, Committee Report 2-14(2), Committee Report 3-14(2), and Committee Report 4-14(2) concurrently, continuing with the consideration of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, as we had started on Friday. We will move on to Transportation, and Education next on the list, in that order.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Is that the wish of the committee?

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

At this time, I would like to ask the Minister if wishes to bring in his witnesses?

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the committee agree the Minister can bring in his witnesses?