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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Beaulieu.

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Beaulieu

Yes, the Corporation does provide subsidy to the Aven Senior Centre based on what we refer to as a "two percent write down" on the mortgage. Regardless of the interest rate, the Corporation pays the difference between what the current interest rate is and a two percent interest rate to reduce operating costs for the Aven Senior Centre. Currently, I do not have the vacancy rates of the centre, so I am not aware if there are vacant units.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did not mean to be facetious, but I am pretty sure there is a waiting list. I am wondering if the Minister could tell us if the Corporation would look at putting more dollars into the Aven Senior Centre to expand? Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Beaulieu.

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Beaulieu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When the corporation is able to compare the 2000 needs survey with other communities and the needs of other seniors in other communities, we will be able to determine this.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you. I look forward to seeing the needs survey because I am sure that we are going to see an increasing need for seniors' housing in Yellowknife with the aging of our population. I hope the NWT Housing Corporation will seriously take a look at what it can do to try to meet this demand, especially considering the inflow of seniors to the larger centres in the North. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will endeavor to meet all the needs, as I expressed earlier, in the next four years. I think we can achieve that. That is my response to that comment. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The area of seniors is an issue I pursued and posed questions of earlier. If the government bases its budgeting on volume, then you might as well start bussing people into Yellowknife because it will continue to burst at the seams. In fact, I have worked with the elders in Inuvik to try and pursue some help for establishing a seniors' facility. They are willing to put their own dollars up front.

We know across the Northwest Territories, seniors would rather be staying in their homes and communities close to family, rather than having to be moved out into the larger centres. We know that Yellowknife is the largest centre in the Northwest Territories and it will have large numbers. Hopefully, the idea of building and maintaining a strong Northwest Territories will have some impact on the planning through the NWT Housing Corporation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to answer one part of the question and turn the other part to the president of the Corporation.

We acknowledged in a meeting with the Inuvik seniors that we will endeavor to work with them over the next three years to help them reach their objective in terms of their own facility, similar to the Aven Senior Centre in Yellowknife. The critical problem we are having in Inuvik is not the matter of constructing a facility. The land is the big question, if I am correct. I do not see us having any problem in terms of dealing with the seniors' request, as well as Tuktoyaktuk 's request.

In terms of numbers, I am going to ask the president of the NWT Housing Corporation to address this, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. The president of the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Beaulieu.

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Beaulieu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The numbers of seniors that are requiring housing is not a major factor in determining where senior' units are built. We use a percentage because if we did not use percentages, the Member is correct, all the units being allocated would be going into larger centres because there are just more people there.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this point, it is good to hear that response. If it could be pointed out within the information provided, what area would seniors look to for receiving some funding if they were able to put a program together? Is it through the capital expenditures side? I am not sure. There are fairly big numbers here and they are not broken down.

For example, I am aware that there is a program which is between the Housing Corporation and Health and Social Services that builds two units a year. That is two units of fourplexes that will not go very far. I just wanted to know where in this information would we be able to find that? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to ask the president to speak to the context of some rearranged financing as it pertains to seniors' housing.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The president of the Housing Corporation, Mr. Beaulieu.

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Beaulieu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With respect to the capital projects that are targeted to the seniors' independent units, the Member is correct. It was scheduled for eight units. However, in three of the communities where we have discussed the possibility of constructing seniors' units, we are leveraging funding from the local development corporations where they would provide the up-front capital and the corporation would purchase the unit back from them on a lease-purchase arrangement.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It sounds awfully similar to a P3-type process. Could we have further clarification there? Is it strictly a leaseback? It sounds, just from the information provided, very similar to a P3.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.