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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The intention was to deliver it in the smaller communities where there is no adult educator.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In terms of a commitment to adult literacy, the department has funded workplace literacy programs in the past. I am hoping we will see these as we go through the budget, and that there is a continued thrust in that area.

One thing that has not been addressed is a commitment to family literacy. Does the Minister have within the department any funding that can be identified as tying into family literacy? Or can some of his Skills for Work money be targeted in that area? Would programs that featured family literacy as part of their thrust be considered in the Skills for Work program?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The intention was that the money would be for the Community Skills for Work, but part of this with the NGOs is to look at proposals from NGOs and they would be administered from the regional level. In there, there could be consideration for family literacy programs.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I welcome that commitment that family literacy will indeed have a place in the Skills for Work programs that are considered.

I think Mr. Miltenberger mentioned this government needs to move towards having a broader literacy strategy. He responded to a question that you asked, Mr. Chairman, last Friday in the House about literacy. He responded saying that the department has been considering a directive on adult basic education and literacy. I would like to ask the Minister if there has been any consultation with groups like the literacy council on the directive that is under consideration? Will this directive in fact tie a government-wide initiative together?

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The Chair David Krutko

The Minister responsible for Education, Culture, & Employment, Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, the literacy council was consulted on this. Although it provides a broad approach, it can be considered as applicable across the territory.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask when the consultation took place? I understand this directive has been in the works for in excess of ten years. It has been under development for a long time. Has the consultation been very recent? Will the Minister commit, before moving ahead with it, to ensure that there is some discussion, not only with the literacy council, but also with practitioners in the field?

I mean, in particular, practitioners who are working in the smaller communities, typically the NGOs, so that we are actually making sure the directive is tied to the real world, and not necessarily just to what people in academia might think is the right way to do it.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We can certainly consider circulating the draft. I am informed that there has been consultation with practitioners and NGOs. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think the committee would be interested in knowing, at least I would, when these consultations took place and with whom they took place? I would ask that be provided at a later date. I do not expect they would have that information with them today.

I have one other question about this program. Is it now in the base funding? Or is this a one year program? Will we have to go through this again next year? We had hoped to see a million dollars. $650,000 is certainly better than the nothing that was there initially when the budget was brought forward. Is this just a short-term solution, or will the $650,000 be in the department's base? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wonder if we could confirm with the Member tomorrow.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I hope that we will be able to have that information before we conclude the department's budget. I look forward to receiving that.

I would like to talk now about northern teachers. One of the things that Mr. Nerysoo started when he was Minister of Education was he set a target for a number of northern teachers we would have by the year of 2000. I believe that he had set a target of 50 percent. I know we did not achieve that target in the North.

The government of the day committed to renew the attempt to reach that level, I believe it was by the year 2003. I would like to ask the Minister will he again commit and ensure that the department puts the resources necessary into the program to make sure that by 2003, or at the latest 2004, that we achieve the level that was set many years ago? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The target was set, I cannot recall the year, but it was 50 percent by the year 2000. I am not familiar with the fact that it was renewed. I see the former Minister set that target, so it was set as a target for 2003. Now, the question before me is can it be achieved?

I am not sure what changes took place in the last several years. I cannot commit at this time to be able to achieve that target by that particular date. There is certainly an emphasis within all areas of the system to ensure that people are able to go to the college system.

The Teacher Education Program that we have in place is starting to see increased enrollments. For example, here in Yellowknife at this time last year, the number of applicants was 24. This year it is 40. There is an increasing interest in the area of education. There is a promotion program that was initiated by us some time ago, and I think that is starting to have results. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. I have Mr. Nitah on the list. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will start by quoting from the Northwest Territories Economic Strategy document called Common Ground, developed by a panel of our brightest from the Northwest Territories:

"In the year 2025, our communities are healthy and family life is strong. People have a strong sense of personal identity, respect one another, are proud of their cultures and speak their own languages. They are well housed, live independent lives, and have an appropriate range of services to help them when they are in need."

This was under the heading of vision and principles. These individuals are looking ahead in what they see. I say that education will be the backbone that will get us there.

In my campaign, subsequent readings and Assemblies with my colleagues of the House, we identified education as the number one priority. With the retention problems with our educators, and with our health professionals, I think education is that much more important. Especially in the small, predominantly aboriginal communities.

With cutbacks in adult basic education, and so on, and cutbacks in this and that, it is going to be more difficult to hire our own aboriginal professionals in this sector. We find problems in the communities where teachers do not stay long. There does not seem to be a relationship between teachers and students, which is very important to the development of individual kids.

It costs this government a lot of money in recruiting, transportation, et cetera. I think the department should very soon, or even during the summer break, develop a strategy that will make it easier on everyone involved at the smaller community level to be educated, to educate, or to participate in the educational process.

To that end, I would like to propose that the department develop a strategy of how that can be done in consultation with education authorities, parents, and teachers, both those who are present and those who are leaving.

Cross-cultural training is greatly needed in our communities for all professionals, especially educators. Many times, teachers leave because of frustration and not understanding the culture. Parents are not participating because they do not understand the western philosophies and cultures. We already pointed out that a large percentage of our population has grade 9 or less. That is going to contribute to that and it is going to continue if we do not do anything about it.

I think developing cross-cultural training that specifies the roles and responsibilities of not only teachers, but administrators of the schools, the students, the parents, community leaders. Once a strategy like this is in place, have a workshop during the first week of school. Lay out the whole year, come up with strategic goals for each class and each student, as some of the schools are very small, and I think we could do that, and set achievable goals.

Many of the problems I see in the area of retention for teachers have to do with finances. The cost of living in the communities, rent, et cetera. Many times it is not understanding the people in the communities. Students do not really get to know their teachers. When I was going through school in Lutselk'e, I spent a lot of time on the land. I was fortunate that there was an educator in the community by the name of Mr. Robert Biide, who was also an educator in Fort Simpson. It was his guidance and attention to my predicament and understanding of it that brought me along to a point where I was able to leave Lutselk'e and go to Akaitcho Hall and do well.

Now, I do not see the same teachers in the community year after year. I think there needs to be an innovative and proactive way of thinking, to try something different. The current system does not seem to work. In my community of Lutselk'e, five teachers have resigned this year. Some of it is for financial reasons, but mostly because of a lack of understanding and community involvement on all levels; teachers, students, administrators, parents. I think developing some sort of strategy to address that very fundamental problem would go a long way in the department.

I am willing to introduce a motion if that will assist you, Mr. Minister. The Minister could respond to this, or not. It is his prerogative. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Ootes, would you care to respond to that?