Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There again, we are going back to either saying we have to go out and consult, or we have to go out to another group. These are obligations that are spelled out in black and white, an agreement that clearly states the Government of the NWT. That is where I have a real problem, is that the government has to live up to its obligations.

We are trying to work with First Nation groups on the Northern Accord. We are trying to negotiate self-government. We are involved in land claims negotiations, but it is just like the treaties. The treaties that people signed in Treaty 8 and in 1921, Treaty 11, there was understanding that people did not give up the land. They were told that we are going to take care of your housing, we will take care of your education, we will take care of this and that and the other thing. At the end of the day, a lot of people lost their homes, lost their land, their cultural abilities. When it comes back to the government, they say, "Well, that was our understanding."

This is a modern treaty to spell out what obligations governments have to First Nations people, and yet we are stepping back from the obligations made, and signed as a party to these agreements, where they had people negotiating these agreements. We are still sitting here today, talking about the Gwich'in agreement that was signed in 1991. That is almost over nine years ago. How much more time does it take? It took the Inuvialuit ten years before they could sort of get an idea of the implementation of their agreement, because the government was not living up to their agreement. That is why there had to be these negotiations. That is why you see two-point-something-million dollars in that section, because there are obligations. The government never obligated the resources to carry them out. Now they have, because they had to negotiate an implementation agreement with the Inuvialuit.

The same thing applies to the aboriginal organizations that have agreements because of the experiences in the past with the Inuvialuit and other groups that signed agreements back in the 1980s. Now the modern treaties that are being signed, the implementation agreements have to be attached to them.

This thing about a tripartite committee, it is just like the apartheid group in South Africa, where one group tells you what is good for you, and they get all the wealth and benefits, but the people that really should receive these benefits are left out in the cold because somebody's interpretation is different than what it was.

Hopefully, this government will live up to its obligations when it comes time for implementation. I would like to ask the Minister again, when will they live up the obligations under these agreements, where it says the government shall take such measures to consult and ensure that they are carrying out their responsibilities?

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Handley.

Mr. Chairman, we have said we are committed to living up to the wording and the spirit and intent of the land claims agreement. As I have said, and I think the Member has said it as well, we cannot have one party going off and doing its own interpretations. This all has to be worked out jointly with the federal government, the Gwich'in people and the Government of the Northwest Territories.

On the economic measures chapter, that chapter is currently being reviewed. I understand the review is to be completed by January. If we are not living up to some obligations in there, those are going to be pointed out very clearly to us. At that time, we deal with them.

We cannot just arbitrarily start making changes ourselves, or we are very quickly going to get into trouble. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Page 11-31, details of work performed on behalf of others. Page 11-32. Page 11-33, revenues, recoveries and transfer payments. Mr. Krutko.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to revenues and recoveries, will we be looking at bringing our licence or fees that we charge for different aspects in line with the rest of Canada? Are we being consistent with the other jurisdictions in Canada?

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Handley.

Mr. Chairman, as part of the Wildlife Act, all of the fees that fit within that jurisdiction will be looked at as part of the revision process. The same applies with other fees, whether it is in forest management or elsewhere. We are continually reviewing those to make sure they are competitive with everyone else. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Page 11-33, revenue, recoveries and transfer payments.

As committee members will recall, we had deferred page 11-9, 11-10, corporate management. We will go back to 11-9 operating expense, total operating expense, $11.796 million. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I moved the motion to defer yesterday, and the Minister has provided the information in response to the concerns of compensation benefits and other O and M. I am satisfied at this point with the level of detail provided. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Page 11-9, corporate management, operation expense. Mr. Krutko.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under the Financial Administration Act, there is reference that anything over $250,000 has to be reported to either the committee or a Member affected. I see a couple of amounts. In one case, there is $366,000. I am just wondering, has the department followed the guidelines in place in order to move money around which exceeds $250,000?

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Handley.

Yes, the department has followed the Financial Administration Act.

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Corporate management, page 11-9, operating expense, total operating expense, $11.796 million. Mr. Krutko.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Was there a letter sent to the different committees in regard to the permanent salary positions, with regards to O and M which is $366,000? Was there notice given to any of the committees?

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Handley.

Mr. Chairman, the Financial Management Board files a report on transfers over $250,000. I believe that it is during each Session, and that has been done, or will be done, in the next report, in accordance with the Financial Administration Act. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Krutko.

Thank you. I was not too sure on the response, it has been done or is it going to be done? You said that it had been done or will be done, so when will it be done? Because it is under the Financial Administration Act, I believe that it is Section 43, consultation guideline. When will the Minister submit that either to this House or to the committee of the House so that we can see it, hopefully before we conclude this budget item?

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Handley.

Mr. Chairman, I think the Member is referring to Section 4.3, which is in reference to new capital projects, and those having to be not done until the Minister has consulted in writing with the affected MLAs and so on. When it comes to other than new capital projects, then it is Section 32.2, which says a list of any funds transferred under sub-section 1 exceeding $250,000 must be laid before the Legislative Assembly by the Minister of Finance at each Session of the Legislative Assembly. That is where any transfers over $250,000 that are not new capital projects would be included.

These ones I am not sure, without referring back to the last report, to know whether they are in there or they are in the next report. There will be a report filed in this Session. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Corporate management, page 11-9, operating expense, total operating expense, $11.796 million. Page 11-10, department summary. Page 11-7, operating expense, total expense $75.123 million.

We will go to capital acquisitions at the back of the book, page 11-23, Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, capital acquisition, Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, $1.619 million. Mr. Roland.