You know, Mr. Speaker, I do not think the Minister gets it. He still seems to be telling us that the government's approach here is to design a plan and then go out and get people to react to it. I am advocating that the government brings people in to help build the plan. That is how we are going to get buy-in and ownership of the plan and how to make it work.

I would have to ask just how does the Minister expect to come up with a workable plan if he does not include the expertise that we already have out there? Thank you.