Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is, of course, human nature. We are always going to need jails and replacing them when they wear out. It is a fact of life.

What I wanted to contrast, though, was the relatively static investment we are making in alternatives. In the big scheme of things, I do not have a lot of confidence that our present system of justice and incarceration, punishment and treatment, is really making a difference or really making a dent in what our results are. I would like to think that if we are turning the corner and improving on that, the department would be the first to be telling us about it. I do not see any evidence of that.

The systems and the processes we have in place right now just do not seem to be making that much of a difference. I would really like to have seen it in this budget, but I hope we can see in future ones some more investment, some more emphasis and initiative on alternatives, especially in the community-based systems. I could not agree more that is where we really will, I think, be able to make a difference, bringing the communities onside.

That is my comment, Mr. Chairman, and I would just finish by pointing out a statistic in here that is rather disturbing. The majority of crimes in the NWT now are committed by people in the 16 to 25 year demographic area -- about 15 per cent of our population -- and it will continue to grow as a proportion of our population over the next several years. We have all the right signals before us indicating that we have a problem that is going to be growing. Unless they demonstrate some courage and some initiative, we are not really going to be able to expect too much in the way of improvement. Thank you.