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Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is also for the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. It is in relation to the August 6th directive, the record of decision from the Cabinet meeting. There seems to be a lack of clarity. I cannot imagine otherwise. Cabinet required lawyers to interpret it, to ensure that they knew what it meant or that they thought they knew what it meant. I think the Power Corporation, I understand, also required lawyers to interpret this supposedly clear record of decision.

My question, Mr. Speaker, is the Minister shared the actual ROD with the Power Corporation, would he be prepared to share that same ROD with Regular Members? Thank you.

Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Handley.

Return To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, no. I do not have the authority to share it beyond the Executive Council and the staff and agencies who are directly impacted by it. In this case, it was shared with the Power Corporation. That appears to have been a longstanding practice, not one that I introduced. It was shared with them because it applied directly to the Power Corporation. Thank you.

Return To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Supplementary To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you. I think Members are trying to get some indication of what the ROD really said. Maybe I can ask the Minister this; he has indicated that the ROD suggested the government should cease consultation on the Robertson report and specifically the one-rate zone. I think the Premier said that the ROD indicates the Power Corporation should cease consultation on the one-rate zone. Can the Minister be crystal clear as to which it is? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, my recollection of it is that it is directed to me as Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Supplementary To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am concerned about our ability going forward to get board members to put their names forward. I think the sense that people in the public are going to get is that something must be wrong with this board, the government fired them.

Does the Minister have some sort of idea that he is going to get a better board? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, certainly I will work to get the best board I possibly can. I do not know if it will be better or not, but it will be the best one I can put together. One thing, Mr. Speaker, that is certain and hopefully we all learn from this one, that there has to be a good working relationship with the board and there has to be clarity on any direction that is given to them. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Supplementary To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In response to Mr. Nitah's questions, Mr. Handley indicated that the board of directors needs to be arm's length, or at least indicated free from political interference. Three times in the last two years I believe, Mr. Speaker, this government parachuted in and told the Power Corporation to cease and desist.

Mr. Speaker, I think they would imagine that we have a trigger-happy Cabinet and I do not see members putting their names forward. In light of the three times of us having to step in, does the Minister believe we actually had an arms' length and free-from-interference relationship with this board?

Supplementary To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier, it is a board, a Crown corporation that is owned 100 percent by government. It is true that we have a board in order to have them manage it as a corporation, not as a piece of government.

When we get the new board in place, I want to sit down and talk with them about the relationship with government. They have to understand that they are not an entity on their own, that they report to government. If they have any lack of clarity or any doubt about any direction that is given, that we should talk about that so we do not get into these kinds of situations. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Question 346-14(5): Request For Cabinet Record Of Decision
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.

Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

October 16th, 2002

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this time, I would like to thank the Minister for the Power Corporation for having the vision of seeing what is best for all Northerners, and not have the scenario where we have the small against the big, the rich against the poor scenario where the large communities get larger and our smaller communities get poorer.

I think this initiative in regard to the one-rate zone was something that was discussed in committee. As far as was my understanding, the process was moving along quite clearly. There were workshops held in our regions. Yet, Mr. Speaker, everyone here seems to be under the impression nothing was happening.

I for one would like to ask the Minister, where do we go from here to assure our communities that they will have an opportunity to realistically see what is the best approach for all northern communities, regardless of if they are on hydro or diesel?

Will the new submission allow for community input to seriously allow for the one-rate zone idea to be left on the table, so at least it can be discussed by those communities that did show an interest in discussing it?

Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Handley.

Return To Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the direction from Cabinet is that the Power Corporation file their application for a community-by-community based zone rate system. Any application that is before the Public Utilities Board is open for intervention or public interest. When the PUB is looking at the application put forward by the Power Corporation, those who are in support of the community rate zone are certainly encouraged to intervene or to ask questions. Those who would prefer to see an alternative are certainly encouraged to intervene or to make their points known.

I think the Public Utilities Board process will allow those communities to have the say that they want to have about what kind of rate application zone would best work for them. It is then up to the Public Utilities Board, after hearing from everyone, to make the determination on the rate structure. I would certainly encourage communities with all views to intervene if they choose to. Thank you.

Return To Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think it is great to do reports such as the Robinson report with regard to energy initiatives, but at the end of the day, it is not us that determines the power rates in the Northwest Territories. It is the Public Utilities Board. I would like to ask the Minister, will he be submitting another submission to the NWT Power Corporation to submit to the Public Utilities Board to allow for broad consultation on all aspects dealing with energy initiatives, regardless if it is a one-rate zone or with respect to community based rates, so that we can at least have a chance to have a public debate? Because of the situation we find ourselves in right now, will the Minister allow that to take place?

Supplementary To Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will certainly ask the Power Corporation to make available to anyone who wants information any information that they have on any kind of rate structure that communities may be interested in. If communities are interested in meeting about the application the Power Corporation is putting forward, then I certainly encourage the Power Corporation to continue the thorough discussion and consultation that they have practised since I have been the Minister responsible. I think everyone has a right to be heard and to have their input into the application process. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Question 347-14(5): Community Input Into Rate Zone Application
Revert To Item 7: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister exactly, will he be allowing for community workshops and what not to take place with regard to the new submission that has been put forth, and also to continue with allowing communities to consider the options that are out there, knowing that we have had one with regard to one-rate zone? I think there was a lot of take on that. I would like to ask the Minister, will you continue to ensure public input through workshops through the NWT Power Corporation?