Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable member for Deh Cho, Mr. McLeod.
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Question 388-14(5): Federal Devolution Negotiators' Mandate
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October 22nd, 2002
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Michael McLeod Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister responsible for the Intergovernmental Forum. As the MLA for the Deh Cho, we are not active participants in the Intergovernmental Forum, however we are watching with keen interest.
It was reported to us that a federal negotiator for the federal devolution talks was appointed, Mr. David Peterson. ...(inaudible)...also from the reports from the Minister we have become aware that Mr. Peterson has no mandate to negotiate the net fiscal benefits.
It is also being interpreted to mean that he will not negotiate with the aboriginal people of the North for resource revenue negotiations. Could the Minister clarify what that means? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you. The honourable Minister responsible for the Intergovernmental Forum, Mr. Antoine.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this Intergovernmental Forum that we had undertaken a couple of years now with the federal government along with the aboriginal governments to appoint negotiators. The federal government has recently negotiated the former Premier of Ontario, David Peterson and his first initial visit, and upon questioning his terms of reference we find out that his terms of reference are from DIAND representing the federal government and his mandate is to negotiate the programs and services that DIAND currently provides in the Northwest Territories.
This Intergovernmental Forum is for devolution of the powers and authorities. It is still controlled by Canada, our lands, water and resources. The intention here in the Intergovernmental Forum on our part, and the Aboriginal Summit's part, from what I gather, is to gain control in the North of the lands, waters and resources, including the royalties and the taxes that flow from the development of our resources.
At this initial meeting, we found that David Peterson does not have the mandate from Finance Canada which would deal with the net fiscal benefits of resources and revenues flowing from the resources. So I will answer as such. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.
Supplementary To Question 388-14(5): Federal Devolution Negotiators' Mandate
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Michael McLeod Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very interesting to hear that. I would like to follow up with a question to the Minister asking if the members of the Aboriginal Summit are still going to pursue these talks and if indeed we, as the Northwest Territories government, are also going to participate since a big portion of what we were expecting to negotiate is no longer there. I would like to ask the Minister if he could answer that, Mr. Speaker.
Supplementary To Question 388-14(5): Federal Devolution Negotiators' Mandate
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister responsible for the Intergovernmental Forum, Mr. Antoine.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Mr. Speaker, this is the very first initial meeting with David Peterson. There is a negotiation session of the Intergovernmental Forum set to take place in mid-November and we are intending to pursue this further, through a joint working relationship with the Aboriginal Summit and ourselves in developing a joint letter to both Minister Nault and Minister Manley in regard to our concern of the mandate.
We fully intend to work together and pursue that there be a full mandate, either through separate tables or representative of Finance Canada at a single table, we intend to pursue that at this point in time. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.
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The Speaker
We have stopped the clock. Okay we can restart the clock. We seem to have regained technical control. Your supplementary, Mr. McLeod.
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Michael McLeod Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to indicate that I certainly will not be holding my breath when it comes to pursuing this with the federal Ministers. If there is any historical track record, we have not been very successful. I do want to ask the Minister though, it seems we as regular MLAs have only been made aware that the net fiscal benefit was not part of the negotiations. I would like to ask the Minister if he could tell me when he knew or when Cabinet knew that it was not going to be part of the negotiations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister responsible for the Intergovernmental Forum, Mr. Antoine.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our first initial meeting with David Peterson, I do not know what date it was but it was about three weeks ago when we first realized that there was a problem. It is a serious concern to all of us. We were hoping that he would have the full mandate to talk about devolution as well as net fiscal benefits. Our intention here is to pursue it and we informed the Aboriginal Summit. They are fully aware of this situation and the intention here is to work together, both with Manley and Nault to see if we could fix this concern before we get any further down the line. If we do not, then we will have to decide at that point in time if it is worth pursuing in the form that it is in. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. McLeod.
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Michael McLeod Deh Cho
I have talked to some members in the Aboriginal Summit and have also heard from Mr. Bob Simpson who has stated in the media that he knew for well over a year. I would like to know where our negotiators and staff were during this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister responsible for the Intergovernmental Forum, Mr. Antoine.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we were hoping that Mr. Peterson, when he got his terms of reference, that he had the full mandate. We were aware that there was a possibility that he might not. The first indication that he did not have this full mandate that we were hoping for was about three weeks ago when we first met with this person. Yes, our negotiators were there and we were aware of the background discussions that were going on between the staff, and we kind of had an indication of what the thinking was on the federal government's part, but we were there. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.
Question 389-14(5): GNWT Procurement Practices
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Brendan Bell Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Premier and it is about the procurements practices of this government. I have had a number of constituents raise concerns with me recently. We know that Cabinet decided to waive the Business Incentive Policy on the North Slave correctional facility, phase 2. Their rationale was that they thought it might save us money. Of course, we do not know what the BIP cost is, but never mind that for now. Then also recently, in direct contradiction to that it seems, Mr. Speaker, we decided we were going to get into a negotiated contract situation for water bombing as it relates to forest fire fighting because, Mr. Speaker, we think that a monopoly situation can save us money.
I am wondering why the Cabinet would take such a direct contradiction of position when it comes to procurement in this case.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some years ago this government took measures to ensure that the work necessary to have the water bombers and land-based fire fighting operations be contracted to northern businesses, for the benefit of northern businesses that would hire northern people and base their operations here in the North. That was an expensive exercise that some of us were involved in, and we believe that after a significant amount of investment the contractor, Buffalo Airways, has done a very good job, in the view of this government, and has invested a significant amount of money, time and energy to carry out that responsibility in the contract arrangement with this government.
The contract requires certain types of work to be done, certain facilities to be available and certain lease arrangements to be made, including with the federal government. These are not arrangements and circumstances that come about easily, and are not readily available to just anyone. In our view, we felt that as an executive there were some compelling reasons why we should consider, in reviewing the good performance of the contractor, in this case to extend. We felt that the benefits ensured evident ongoing benefits to the North of the initial arrangements we made were clear and substantial, and felt it warranted giving the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development a mandate to negotiate to see if the current provisions could be negotiated to the satisfaction of both parties. This is currently what we are doing. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary, Mr. Bell.
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Brendan Bell Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I am not here to argue the performance of the current contractor, from all accounts that I have heard it has been very good. I think, Mr. Speaker, there have been many concerns and I would like some acknowledgement of that about our procurement practices. We heard in the House Mr. Roland today talking of concerns about an ice road RFP in Inuvik, and that an independent third party we now know will be looking into that contract. We know we are going to have an independent review of the correctional centre fiasco.
Mr. Speaker, there just seems to be an inordinate number of procurement concerns. Would the Premier acknowledge that.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.