Thank you, Ms. Cooper. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
So if another denomination, a Pentecostal faith or Anglican faith, if they started a private school then they would fall under this category and be able to hire teachers of their own faith, so to speak?
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Cooper
Mr. Chairman, no, it does not extend that far. It is with regard to the Northwest Territories Act which of course is a quasi-constitutional piece of legislation that establishes the Northwest Territories and within it it gives certain powers to the Government of the Northwest Territories, one of which is education. Within that authority for education there are some requirements with regard to denominational schools. This is Catholic and Protestant.
In practicality, it deals with Catholic schools. If we were looking at other kinds of schools that are setting up as private schools for an employment relationship, their protection might come under that other clause that you mentioned. It also would be what would be considered a bona fide occupational requirement if you are running a school for religious purposes. Then the act allows for you to have certain requirements with regard to that employment.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank the staff for that response. Under section 6 as well, subsection 6 of 7, I guess, what else would that entail, I guess, for some detail as to what is it trying to accomplish, in a sense? Would it be, again, just in the aspects of hiring someone or would it be how your organization could include members or not include members? Is that as far as it would go?
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Cooper
Mr. Chairman, subsection 6 allows an employment preference, so if you have, for example, a certain cultural society, you could hire somebody of that culture, ethnic origin over other people, so sub-clause 6, clause 7 is with regard to granting a preference when you are hiring somebody in employment.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Okay. Human Rights Act, part 1, interpretation and application, clause 1. Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Mr. Chairman, when we were looking at this clause, and if you see our standing committee report, you will notice that one of our recommendations was that clause 1 be amended so that where the reference is found to illiteracy, that that be changed to levels of literacy. The committee was interested in doing this because we thought that the current practice in terms of referring to people who are challenged by a level of literacy, or have a set level of literacy, was a better way of referring to it then saying illiteracy?
I understand that there is a concern from the Minister's office about making this amendment. I was just wondering if we could get an outline of what the concern is and why the Minister is reluctant to change illiteracy to levels of literacy.
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Cooper
Mr. Chairman, I would like to give a little bit of a broader context for this question, as well, just to fit it in...well, to give you as complete an answer as possible. There are a number of grounds of discrimination under Bill 1. Some are quite clear, like religion, race. Social condition is new. It is not very clear. A definition was included to set out a framework for interpretation. Under the definition, the person has protection against discrimination if he or she is part of a disadvantaged group. The disadvantage has to be social or economic and result from poverty, source of income, illiteracy, meaning a lack of literacy skills, level of education or another condition that is similar to these. The definition is quite broad already. This is where the government's concern comes in with the change of terminology, because we would be the only jurisdiction in Canada with a definition. We are introducing something new into our law.
It is the government's position that if illiteracy was replaced with the words level of literacy, it could increase the scope that is already broad and have it further impact on employers. The meaning of the word illiteracy in the dictionary is that a person is not able to read and write. This is often going to result in difficulties getting employment. When one uses the words level of literacy, you are starting to get into the idea of different degrees of ability. For example, level of literacy could be interpreted to mean that a person cannot read or write at all, that a person could read at a grade 5 level, a person could read at a grade 8 level, a person could read at a grade 10 level.
If the definition is broadened, it could increase the scope of the duty to accommodate on employers. In employment situations, duty to accommodate means that an employer has to adapt work arrangements to make adjustments for people who come under a ground of discrimination. The duty says that the employer has to accommodate a person unless this would cause undue hardship.
I will provide an example relating to the duty to accommodate in the context of the words illiteracy, or level of education. Say, for example, you have an employee with a job in a company. The employee can read and write at a basic level to operate within that job. There is another job posted within the firm. It calls for reading at a higher level than the employee has at present. Now, the question becomes, is the act going to impose an obligation on the employer to do something to accommodate the person at the higher reading level? Should the employee have the right to complain under the Human Rights Act, if the employer fails to do something to give the person that job because their level of literacy is not sufficient to get the job at the higher level or a different job at a higher pay scale, and that is where we could see a difference between...possible difference in interpretation between the words illiteracy, which means cannot read and write, one would assume adequately to perform basic skills, and level of literacy.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is a fairly comprehensive explanation. I guess the Members of the committee had had some indication that was what we would hear in terms of an explanation, and therefore have agreed that, on the understanding that the definition of social condition will be left as it is in the current act, that we would not move forward with our recommendation to change the word illiteracy as well. I would like to thank the Minister's staff for that explanation.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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