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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Dent. The president of the NWT Development Corporation, Mr. Koe.

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Koe

Mahsi. Most of our funding is through an application process. We either set up a subsidiary business, which is wholly or partially owned by the corporation, or we set up a venture company. So most of our investments are through a company, a business, so the coordination with other government departments is through that one business.

We do not do workshops or training programs as such, other than if they are channeled through a specific business. We could be doing some generic programs. There was one in the Beaufort-Delta with Aurora College on the career program. That was run by the Aurora College. It was not run by the Development Corporation. They used our facilities. That was the tie-in, so there is coordination in the sense that we do look for sources of money that we can access so that we can train people that are working in our businesses.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would now like to follow up on questions that Ms. Lee was asking yesterday. They have to do with the BCC loans and the issue of market disruption. Can the Minister tell me, what is the maximum amount of a loan that can be accessed by an entrepreneur through the BCC in a level three community?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. We just recently, as the deputy minister indicated yesterday, upped the amount to $2 million dollars. It was $250,000 and the board had authorization to go to $500,000. Just recently, we have upped the amount. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess my concern has partly to do with the magnitude of the increase and the magnitude of the monies that can now be available.

Since the Business Credit Corporation takes on loans that are more risky, I would assume they also have a history of having to write off more loans than would a chartered bank.

My concern is that we are going to be in a situation here where if somebody were to access a significant amount of money like that to start an operation, a commercial operation in, let's say Yellowknife, that is in competition with another, that $2 million dollars could mean an awful lot of damage could be done in the market place, perhaps putting both companies out of business before that $2 million dollars was gone.

I really have a problem with this issue of the BCC not taking any market disruption into account and saying that because we charge 2 percent over what the banks are charging, the market takes care of itself. Based on an analyst's assessment of whether or not a business might make it, I think I have a grave concern about what sort of damage could be done within the market place.

I would ask the Minister if we could re-examine the issue of market disruption when it comes to loans, particularly loans of the larger magnitude. You are then talking about setting up a business that would have the capability, in my opinion, of significantly impacting even an established business in town.

You have $2 million dollars that you can access to start a large corporation. You obviously have some money of your own that is going in. You are talking about setting up a fairly large company at this point that could in fact put other large companies at risk.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, through the board's structure, the board, whenever a loan of a large magnitude -- well, any loan that mattered goes to the board. They closely scrutinize it. They operate like a bank. Therefore, they scrutinize the application very closely. It goes through the board's process and any large loans goes to the Minister's office for me to approve it.

We can put mechanisms in place to review these different large loans. In response to your pre-amble, I would like to turn it over to the deputy minister to reply to those.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The deputy minister, Mr. McLeod.

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Bob McLeod

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When we brought forward a legislative proposal to change the legislation to increase the size of loan to a maximum of $2 million dollars, at that time, we presented information as to the percentage of losses. When the cap was a million dollars, the BCC board loans ranked fairly well in comparison to other jurisdictions, when compared to Saskatchewan and others. I think it was in the neighborhood of 14 percent, in that range. We were very good compared to other lending agencies that were in the same area.

With regard to the market disruption, the BCC board faces a lot of importance when they are evaluating proposals and applications for loans. They put a lot of emphasis on the ability to repay the loan. If there is no capacity to repay, their tendency has been not to recommend it for approval.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Next on my list I have Mr. Bell. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have several questions in this area on economic development. The first question I would like to ask is if the Minister could give me a bit of a comparison of two programs, those being Community Futures and the Business Development Fund. I have a hard time in going through the main estimates here differentiating between the two. I am wondering if you could do that for me. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The deputy minister, Mr. McLeod.

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Bob McLeod

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Community Futures fund is a fund that was devolved from the federal government. Our government expanded it to cover all regions. It is primarily a loan program. With the success of the Community Futures, they have been able to take on additional programs and deliver it on behalf of either the federal government or ourselves. Primarily, we provide O and M funding to the Community Futures. In most cases, we have provided capital funding so they can use it to make loans. They make loans up to a maximum of $75,000. For those Community Futures that are not capitalized, we have made arrangements so that they can lend money from the Business Credit Corporation loan fund.

Business development funds are money, grants and contributions that are made available to businesses. Generally, they are made by our regional trade and investment people. Each region has been allocated approximately $300,000 in grants and contributions. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I heard the deputy minister correctly, each region gets $300,000 to -- I guess these would be grants, not necessarily loans, but every region gets $300,000, regardless of the population or the number of applicants?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The deputy minister, Mr. Bob McLeod.

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Bob McLeod

That is correct. It is based on the draw. In some cases, not all regions utilize the whole $300,000, so we generally move the money around to where the demand is the greatest. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

I do not know how it works in other regions or what the uptake is like, but I have had constituents comment to me that they tried to get in on BDF funding but that the money was largely spoken for, essentially April 1st or maybe even earlier. There would be a line-up of projects competing for this small amount of money. First of all, I guess I should ask the deputy if that is true in the North Slave region, I guess we would be, and if this has been something that has been ongoing for a number of years.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The deputy minister.

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Bob McLeod

Mr. Chairman, the Member is correct. It has been a problem in the past but we took steps this year to deal with it. What we did is we instituted a policy change so that the -- generally, the rule of thumb that we use is we limit the size of the contributions to a maximum of $25,000 so we do not have that problem anymore. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Bell.