This is page numbers 301 - 340 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Allen. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am glad that the Minister is going to consider looking at this because I believe it does cause a strain not only on the individual, but the family and also even the community. There is turmoil that happens within the community, wondering why people who we want to spend time or stay in our communities are leaving. A lot of it has to do with the frustration of just trying to find a place to live or the burden of having something brought on just because you happen to be there, such as living with your parents, or in the meantime trying to find a place to stay and maybe finding a part-time job.

I do not think the policies that the government imposes or implements really look at the collective of aboriginal communities in the sense of looking at it as units versus strictly looking at people as one individual with a dollar sign attached to them.

We have to really take the time to look at what the family values are and exactly what roles do grandparents, parents, the children, the grandchildren, even in some cases, the great-grandchildren play in our communities, so we can start supporting families and supporting people in our communities to live together and stay together, without putting these barriers in place because of the mighty dollar that everyone seems to be battling over. It seems like the dollar is driving this organization.

There is nothing wrong with the Housing Corporation having a debt. That is the whole intention of having a social housing organization that takes care of social needs in communities. One of the needs is not only housing but people.

I think as a government, I strongly encourage the Minister to take this cause up and come back with recommendations so that we do not have this situation where we end up hearing like Mr. McLeod, where 13 people got evicted this afternoon. I think a lot of it has to do with that aspect of having people live with you because you are immediate family. What are you going to do, kick them out?

I think that for small communities that is not the way people have been raised. Most of us have been raised around our grandparents or our great-grandparents, or they live next door to us. Those days seem to be gone because of government policies and procedures. They have to change. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, certainly it is an ethical question when it affects our small communities. With all due respect, Mr. Chairman, family values in small communities is pre-eminent in our beliefs, likewise in the city of Yellowknife. Land is a major issue for them. We balance the two. That is why we have 11 home-ownership programs that talk about -- and again, I want to be very specific to Mr. Krutko's plight here, and Mr. Nitah, for that instance -- we do have a sale of housing packages, a program that gives the people, if they have the will to do it, to build their own homes. We will provide housing packages. We have done that in a number of communities. We do have a whole range.

One of the key programs in the last several years for seniors is going back on the land. They asked us to develop an on the land home initiative. We have done that. Some people are taking advantage of it and are relinquishing their social housing units in municipalities and moving onto the land. They have indicated to us they are very happy, because it does provide them with a good house and they are happy and they are healthy.

We continue to promote that. For the larger families in the communities, yes, we do have other options that we want to continue to promote. Those are spelled out as well. We are very pleased to share that with the Member, that we are responding accordingly to the demands of each individual community. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Allen. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you again, Mr. Chairman. I still have several questions to ask and the first one is in regard to contractors. I would like to ask the Minister, what is the standard hold back on contracts that are being let for housing construction?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Chairman, if I may, I will direct the question to Mr. Anderson.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Allen. Mr. Anderson.

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Anderson

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The standard hold back on most of our contracts is 15 percent. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Anderson. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you. My next question is again regarding the completion dates. We heard the Minister state earlier that there are various reasons why completion dates will be extended. I wanted to know, in terms of the IHP and the EDAP houses, if the dates for extension are something that is discussed, if the home-owner is consulted when they make these decisions?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I may, I will direct that question back to the president of the corporation, thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Allen. Mr. Beaulieu.

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Beaulieu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No, under the contract regulations, we are not required to consult with the home-owner. It is a contract that is between NWT Housing Corporation and the contractor. There is a provision in there that the individual is to provide us a service for a fee. If that cannot be met then any change to that contract is strictly between the contractor and NWT Housing Corporation at this time.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

I would assume it would be good government practice to inform a person who is waiting for a house, especially if the house is expected to be completed in six months and we are waiting 12 or 18 months. It may be something that this department should consider.

My next question is regarding the EDAP program. I have voiced several times in this House my concern that it is not a program that works well in our smaller communities. We are not getting any of these units. The units that we did get several years ago for the most part ended up in trouble. It had to be reverted in some cases to the IHP houses. I am told that the program only allowed five units to be built in Yellowknife. It was my assumption that was where the dollars were going.

I would like to know, if the Minister could tell me in terms of percentage, I am not sure if he has that on him, where is the money going for EDAP? Where are the budgeted dollars going for EDAP?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. Again, Mr. Chairman, I would ask Mr. Anderson to respond to that, our chief financial officer. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Allen. Mr. Anderson.

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Anderson

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The EDAP program is delivered in any of the communities where some of the potential home-owners have the ability to go to the bank and qualify for a percentage of the financing from the bank.

I would say the distribution is more towards the larger centres than the smaller centres, but it is a program that we encourage them to a large extent, simply because the government is able to leverage those funds and get the banks to put money into the market place for housing, which is to everybody's benefit. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Anderson. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Given that answer, I know for a fact that Yellowknife did not receive a whole lot of houses. The majority of our communities that are considered smaller, I think the numbers are around 29, cannot access it. Is it safe for me to assume that Hay River, Inuvik, and Fort Smith are the ones accessing these dollars? How much money is that?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Anderson.