Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, yesterday at the end of the session, I was talking about the cuts or withdrawals of funding for 11 positions of child welfare workers and to record my disappointment about that. Then I began to talk about the increasing rate of apprehension of children. Mr. Chairman, I stated that I am one that supports apprehension of children where it is needed. I don't want to accept some... This is very difficult to talk about because we know there is some sense in some corners that the increased numbers of apprehensions of children might be the result of having more child welfare workers. I don't want to accept that, but there is a little bit of a communication problem. There is definitely an issue out there. Our community leaders who deal with this on a day-to-day basis have expressed concern about the number of apprehensions of children. I am also aware and I respect the work that child welfare workers do. It is not easy work. It is difficult work. I accept their plea with us over the last number of years about the fact that they have an increasing workload. So this is a topic I have to consider with as much information as possible, but we are all human and this is the kind of work that is very sensitive and you are dealing with lots of complex issues in the families and difficulties the families are going through and so on. It is possible that some child welfare workers may be more prone to apprehend children rather than considering other issues that might be available to them or it could be that new graduates out of school want to err on the side of being cautious or there might be some child welfare workers who might feel that intervening and apprehending children is a better way to handle the situations they find themselves in.

So I would like to know then what sort of mechanisms are there for review of cases where difficulties arise. I have heard of cases where some families are in difficulties. They have had to go to court. They have gotten a favourable judgment from even the judge about what they should do and not do and still they keep having to go back to the court because the department keeps taking them back to court or whatever.

If there is a situation where there is a great deal of disagreement between the family or the caretakers of the children or parents of the children and a social worker, what mechanisms are available for these two parties to come together? Is there a mode of arbitration or talking together to work out the best solution? Could I ask the Minister for that answer? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.