Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to make it clear to the Minister that in talking about those in-kind contributions as far as the trades are concerned, I am talking strictly about Hay River's portion of going after its own board to look at in-kind contributions such as that to make up the difference in what it would cost to set up the board. I was wondering if the Minister could tell me if he knows of any other situations around the North where either communities don't fit into the education board that they are in or that had to switch from one board to another and how the department deals with that. If Hay River was kicked out of the South Slave, how would you deal with them then? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We did have the situation of one board that wanted to change governance bodies and that's their choice, the choice of the community, and we met that requirement. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We've talked a lot about the Brown and Green apartments that are up for renovation. I have some questions about the student housing replacement. There are 15 houses in the community of Fort Smith that are going to be replaced. Next year's budget will be looking at the replacement of those issues. We are talking about $2.1 million for the 15 of them. I would like a little background as to how these got into the capital plan, especially ahead of other projects like college housing in Yellowknife where there is no vacancy. The indications on the capital needs document we have been supplied with and the comments suggest that replacing this housing with a townhouse unit would reduce O and M, for one thing and, secondly, it would simplify management of student housing. I think those are good things. I am wondering how that gets ahead of no student housing in another community. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask Mr. Devitt to address that question but, before he does, I have just had some clarification on the footprint of the units and where we were speaking of 445 square metres at a cost of $1,320 per metre. I am informed that there is a second floor involved plus a basement, and that would hopefully clarify some questions on that. Perhaps Mr. Devitt can answer the question asked by Mr. Bell.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I suppose if we took the wrecking ball to these 15 houses, we would have a hard time accommodating students, but that's not what we are proposing. Somehow, the replacement of these houses has moved ahead in the capital plan, ahead of dealing with the housing issues in Yellowknife. We have no college housing and we've got a wait list. The consultation comments on the replacement of these old buildings -- and I acknowledge they are old -- but it suggests that replacing these family houses with townhouse units would reduce O and M costs and simplify management. I think that's something that, as a long-term goal, we should be looking towards.

We are talking about capital priorities. I think we've heard in this corporate capital planning process, the highest priorities should float to the top. The Minister of each department comes to the table and talks about his highest priority items and how to get them on the capital plan and, oftentimes, has to fight very hard to get those projects acknowledged ahead of other very important projects and other departments. So I don't understand how the replacement of these houses gets bumped ahead of dealing with college housing in Inuvik or Yellowknife. It doesn't seem to make sense to me. If there are safety concerns at the Brown and Green houses, let's deal with those. If there are fire marshal concerns, we've got to fix those right now. We can't have people in unsafe housing. This stuff is just old. There's a big difference.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister just suggested that all the students at the Thebacha Campus are from out of town, but the information that we were provided was that if you look at the number of units occupied -- and this is business plan information -- at that time 162 were occupied. The largest community represented in that occupancy was Fort Smith with 22. Clearly that doesn't seem to be the case, Mr. Chairman. I am just going to make the point that I can't even imagine how this came to the top of the capital priorities for not only presumably the college, but the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. I assume these college priorities have to compete with other Department of Education priorities, unless we just randomly decide to allocate $20 million a year to the college regardless of their needs and how they fit into the rest of the departmental needs. I can't imagine that's the case. This to me, Mr. Chairman, doesn't make sense. This is why we talked about needing to see some transparency in this capital planning process. If you really want to put your finger on something that causes Members' concerns, it's this kind of thing. We can't see how the scoring of something like the student housing, this old housing and the replacement of that scores against a definite need for housing in other communities for college housing where there is absolutely none. It's just inconceivable that it could get ahead of that. I understand that we have to protect assets, but there aren't safety concerns here. It's simply old. What are the plans for these 15 houses after we are going to replace them with an apartment building? Are we going to wreck these houses because they are old? There is no way, Mr. Chairman, we are not. I am sure we are not. Somebody else will be moving them. Maybe you could speak to that.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask Mr. Devitt to address some of the points made.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to add a couple more questions on something the Minister stated in answer to my final question last time around. He acknowledged that they had had one community that wasn't happy with their management structure and wanted to change it, and they've accommodated them for that. That seems to me what I heard. How is it that the department accommodated them? Could I get some more detail on that?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's the community of Dettah, which is on the border of Yellowknife and it was previously with the Dogrib Community Services Board. It was an agreement by both boards that this change in governance proceed. Dettah will be joining one of the Yellowknife school boards, Mr. Chair.