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Standing Committee On Governance And Economic Development Comments
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. The NWT Development Corporation is no longer involved in fur garments. They've sold what they had and they're out of that business at the present time.

Just to backtrack; before that decision, they had an arrangement with a furrier from Dallas, Texas, to represent them. But at this point in time, the decision has been made that they're no longer involved in that. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Since the Minister has brought up this particular dealer, I understand that there was a contract signed where this person or this business -- if that is a person, it's the same person and I have no way of knowing at the moment -- but whatever the deal that this person or some party that the corporation has signed a contract with, apparently it was a sole distributorship contract where only the party that signed that contract was allowed to market and distribute furs from the Northwest Territories. I want to confirm with the Minister whether there was a contract like that. If we don't have that contract any more, did we have to pay a penalty to get out of that contract?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, Mr. Chairman, there was a contract something similar to what the member has indicated. There was a contract with a furrier called Morris Kaye and Sons. They had a contract to be the sole distributor. That contract is no longer in place, and I understand that there was no penalty that we had to pay. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you. Ms. Lee. The Chair will recognize Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to look at some of the smaller parts of this department, at least in terms of its relationship to our economy. The oil and gas and minerals side is enormous. Our economy is unfolding or pivoting on those resources. For the time being, though, they are, from a regulatory and a developmental point of view, largely out of our hands.

But what we do have almost absolute control of, Mr. Chairman, are the renewable kinds of resources and industries: tourism, forestry, furs, and fisheries, and arts and crafts, as we've just been debating. What we're reminded of once in a while, or we should be reminding ourselves once in a while, Mr. Chairman, is that unlike most other parts of Canada, the NWT does not have a federal investment program going for it to assist especially these aspects of our economy. They are especially important, Mr. Chairman, when you recognize that a diverse economy is a healthy one. I sometimes get a little concerned that so much of our economy and our values and things, the housing market and stuff that we see developing across the NWT is based on a surge in diamond and oil and gas activity. I'd really like to see more diversity. But we are handicapped, badly handicapped by the absence of this kind of agreement. I think the EDA kind of assistance programs with Ottawa that we're familiar with expired in 1996. So here we are almost seven years now without the advantage that something that the rest of Canada has had out there at their doorstep.

I guess that's enough of a preamble. I don't think I need to explain much more of where I'm going. I would like to ask the Minister what efforts does the department or the government foresee in the coming year that will help deliver something like a federal investment program for the NWT?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the economic development agreement type of arrangement with the federal government where we require additional dollars to help develop the North and develop our economy has always been a big concern to us. We've put forward a number of submissions to the different federal departments, most recently to the Minister of Industry, Alan Rock, who has indicated that he doesn't see any regions in the country being treated unfairly. But as we all know, we are in the North. So our task here, as a government, is to continue to try to impress the federal government that there is definitely a need to have federal dollars invested to help us develop our economy in the North. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Well, I wish Mr. Rock was here, because I'd really like to talk to him on this assumption; this terrible mistaken assumption he has that we're getting a fair deal along with the rest of Canada is very wrong. So what are we doing about it? I guess I would repeat my question, Mr. Chairman. What are we doing to bring this to Ottawa's attention? Where is, for instance, the Department of Northern Affairs, which likes to get in our way whenever we want to try to do something for ourselves but isn't out there with very much in the way of real help on this kind of thing. They've really let us down. What are we doing about it?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

We've done a number of different major exercises in the length of this government with the NRRDS, and the non-renewable resource development type of strategy, the transportation strategy, the highway strategy; that sort of initiative that we've put forward. We're told by different federal Cabinet Ministers that we put together a very compelling, very good, the best strategy, but no funds.

So now with this last round, with our Premier and the other two Premiers that have made an arrangement for additional health money from the Prime Minister, there is also an exercise of looking at the inequities to our funding. Perhaps there's an avenue there that we could plug into to see the type of additional dollars we need to develop the economy in the North, an economic development agreement of some sort. Perhaps there is an avenue there that we could pursue, and I think we should. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So just to be clear, and I'm quite familiar with the NRRDS strategy, with the work that the private sector has also put into this, the Northern Business Coalition; a tremendous show of collaboration, Mr. Chairman, by this government and by the private sector. But what I'd like to confirm, is there on a table anywhere in Ottawa a live proposal that we're pursuing. Is there anything active right now?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, there is a northern economic development strategy. I understand that we've worked with the other two territories and put it forward in Ottawa. I understand that one Cabinet committee had approved it, and another committee didn't agree with the funding. So there is always work being done in Ottawa. We're not just complaining about it, we are actually doing the work and seeing if there's a way with continuing this sustained kind of approach and pressure in Ottawa. With the Business Coalition and with our Members of Parliament, hopefully, and through this most recent agreement I mentioned earlier with the Prime Minister of looking at the way we get funding, the inequities, we may have opportunity there. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Mr. Chairman, I'm wondering if one of our problems in this area, as I think we've seen in other efforts to get Ottawa on side, is that we really don't have the ability to focus on any given department or Minister, because of the relationship that we have with Northern Affairs. It almost seems to be a constant trail for play-off in Ottawa. We go down to see one department and they say well, you have to go and get Bob Nault to come with you and hold your hand. Then we go to Bob Nault and he says well, we're going to have to go over to this department and get that Minister and see what he says. So it's pretty easy, perhaps, to get shunted off to the sidelines. From the Minister's point of view, is that one of our real handicaps? Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. We have a major problem in Ottawa. I've been down there personally a number of times in my role as Minister and supporting the Premier and the Finance Minister in trying to talk to key Ministers, including the Finance Minister, Energy Minister and DIAND. We get the run around of DIAND being the Minister responsible for the whole North, everything including economic development, the resource development and human resource development. If you go to Ottawa, like the member says, we get shuffled around. We're also told that we should be seeking these funds from existing resources, which as you know are very tight up here. Yes, it is the case. It's very frustrating. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Delorey.

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to make some comments on the Minister's opening remarks, in some areas more than others. As I mentioned in my reply to the budget as well, I talked about the lack of even a mention in the budget about agriculture in the Northwest Territories. I do have quite a number of questions that I want to ask on agriculture. But before I get into that area -- and that might not be until tomorrow, Mr. Chairman -- I wanted to just bring up the waste recovery and reduction act the department is planning on introducing. I would like to know, Mr. Chairman, where they are with this recovery act. I know they are planning on introducing this in June. Is there a pretty good assurance that that will come in in June? One thing I had brought up to the department some time ago is the fact that Hay River is involved in a recovery program with a waste recovery outfit from the South, Hazco. I had suggested that the department talk to the town of Hay River officials to see if there were any things they could combine efforts in to promote and tie in the waste reduction and recovery in the Territories along with the project they have going on there. I was wondering if the Minister could tell me if his department has done any consultation with Hay River, and if it's pretty certain that this legislation will come through in June. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Minister Antoine.