Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.
Debates of March 5th, 2003
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Supplementary To Question 156-14(6): GNWT Definition Of Consultation
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Further Return To Question 156-14(6): GNWT Definition Of Consultation
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In this case, from what I have been told and my information here, the NWT Housing Corporation has been working with the staff in the regions, as early as last September, to start looking at how they could implement this. I understand there were letters that went out to individuals and regions. I have seen copies of the letter. In this case, I don't know the detail of what happened in the communities, but from what I am told, the work is to try to get the information to the people who are going to be affected and that is the responsibility of the people in the region to provide that consultation. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 156-14(6): GNWT Definition Of Consultation
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Supplementary To Question 156-14(6): GNWT Definition Of Consultation
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recognizing the Supreme Court of Canada put a legal definition on consultation, is the Deputy Premier comfortable that his government's departments have consulted and gotten informed consent from the clients and those who represent the clients at the community level, so that the government could go out and assess their bingo incomes, their IBA incomes, their child tax income, their support payment incomes and use that as assessed income which would be put towards their rent in public housing and the amount of money they would get from income support? Is the Minister comfortable with the legal definition of consultation and that his government's departments have done this consultation and gotten informed consent from the communities and people that represent the clients of public housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not familiar with that detail of consultation at the community level. The Minister responsible, Minister Roger Allen, has that detail, so I would refer that question to him for the detail. Thank you.
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The Deputy Speaker David Krutko
The question has been referred to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.
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Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a pretty detailed question. Our obligation under the harmonization policy was to consult with all the stakeholders, the local housing organizations who are, under legal statutes, an agent of the NWT Housing Corporation. So they have assumed that mandate. Now if it requires consultation of the leadership, then we have already developed that process. We have consulted with those who have a vested interest in the administration of social housing in the communities, as well as in the regions. We have certainly addressed those key interest groups. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 156-14(6): GNWT Definition Of Consultation
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Supplementary To Question 156-14(6): GNWT Definition Of Consultation
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, people in the communities, a great many of them are in public housing. They make up part of the fabric of the community. As such, their local elected leaders, the chief and council, the Metis council, the mayors, have to deal with this clientele. If members of the communities have been assessed as income earners, that affects the fabric of the community. When communities stop reporting bingo winners on local radios because they are afraid that this government is going to use that information to claw back the money, then you should consult the leaders of the community to make sure that when you are clawing back IBA payments to band members who negotiate based on treaties... I know this government doesn't want to get into the legal definition of that, but you should consult the chief and councils on that issue.
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Supplementary To Question 156-14(6): GNWT Definition Of Consultation
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe
As far as I am concerned, there is no consent here. Will the government go and consult the leaders of communities, the clientele of public housing and get informed consent before they push this harmonization through and disrupt community life? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Further Return To Question 156-14(6): GNWT Definition Of Consultation
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Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are sensitive to the situation, but if we want to talk about legal terms, then the local housing organizations are a legally elected board. They are responsible for acting as agents of the NWT Housing Corporation and this government in this specific area of questioning here. So we have those who deal with those legal boards and legal authorities and will continue to do so. If it involves other leadership in the communities, yes, we are prepared to sit down and talk to them to see what their issues are. But in the context of the question, we do have a legal authority which we have dealt with. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 157-14(6): Consultation On The Harmonization Initiative
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Michael McLeod Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is also to Minister Roger Allen, Minister of Housing. I listened with interest as he made a weak attempt to repair this terrible initiative that's been thrown in our laps. I wanted to ask the Minister, I have had the opportunity to follow up on some of his comments stating that there has been a communication plan and he's contacted the people in the different communities. Well, I am not finding that. I can't find that. I have talked to people from the seniors' society who state they don't support some of this initiative. In this day and age, where we are moving into land claim settlements and self-government negotiations, we have to take into consideration other governments that are out there. I want to ask the Minister responsible, if you could give me a list of all the band councils, all the aboriginal organizations, the Metis councils and the town councils who were informed of these changes that are going to be brought about as a result of the harmonization strategy and if he's also talked to the Aboriginal Summit, Mr. Speaker.
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Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hear another question and rightfully so, but again we are talking about a communication strategy that has been followed through, definitely. Yes, I have a series of dates, times and who participated in those workshops. Also, Mr. Speaker, one of the things that we have done was that the people on the Standing Committee on Social Programs on several occasions, as well as AOC, briefed members what was involved in the policy. It's pretty difficult to defend the rationale here. If the questions arise, I will speak definitely to the South Slave. One of the workshops was held at the Fort Providence Snowshoe Inn February 4 and 5, 2002; with district staff, February 6 to 8, 2002; with LHO staff, and it goes on to list a number of other agencies: Hay River Housing Authority, Fort Providence Housing Association, Fort Resolution Housing Authority, Fort Smith Housing Authority, Fort Simpson Housing Authority. So there have been a number of attempts to provide training sessions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael McLeod Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has given us a long list of his staff and his LHOs. My question was what political bodies has he talked to? Mr. Speaker, the Minister states it's hard to define his position. Well, it's hard for us to support it because we've asked for financial information which he has not provided to us. How do we know what the financial implications of this whole document are going to be if we have not seen any information on the cost implications of this whole initiative? Can the Minister supply that to us, Mr. Speaker?
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Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been asked through a written question by a Member. I have been asked by AOC to provide a detailed analysis of the cost. I have been asked a number of questions and I said I needed sufficient time to have our officials from the NWT Housing Corporation detail those responses and they will respond as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Further Return To Question 157-14(6): Consultation On The Harmonization Initiative
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Michael McLeod Deh Cho
Mr. Speaker, we are running out of time. This House is going to be concluding soon. I would like to ask the Minister if he could provide this information we have been asking for by Monday? Can we have that before the closing of this House?
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Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I have requested transcripts of a number of meetings and a number of requests. The unfortunate part is much of the information that is requested is detailed specifically to a committee or a series of committees and that is taking a bit of time to compile, but I will find out as soon as I can, Mr. Speaker.