This is page numbers 505 - 540 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

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Honourable Roger Allen, Honourable Jim Antoine, Mr. Bell, Mr. Braden, Mr. Delorey, Mr. Dent, Mrs. Groenewegen, Honourable Joe Handley, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Lee, Mr. McLeod, Honourable Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Nitah, Honourable Jake Ootes, Mr. Roland, Honourable Vince Steen

-- Prayer

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Allen.

Minister's Statement 28-14(6): Harmonization Of Income Support And Public Housing
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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the past few weeks, we have heard considerable discussion regarding the implementation of the harmonization of the income support and public housing programs. Some Members have made comments suggesting that changes should be made to the initiative, others have encouraged us to move ahead with the planned April 1st implementation.

My Cabinet colleagues and I have given consideration to the comments that have been made in this House and to the comments of the Standing Committee on Social Programs.

This morning Cabinet agreed to proceed with the implementation of the harmonization initiative on April 1st of this year. We feel that the initiative is important and that the result of the planned changes will be positive.

However, we have also listened carefully to the comments that have been made. As a result, we have made an important change to our plans. This change will mean that seniors living in public housing on April 1, 2003, will not have their incomes assessed for rent purposes. In other words, Mr. Speaker, seniors currently living in public housing will continue to be treated in a similar manner to the way they are treated now.

Mr. Speaker, the harmonization initiative is an important activity for this government. It will result in a consistent rent scale and improved equity in benefits. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Minister's Statement 29-14(6): International Women's Week, International Women's Day
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

This is International Women's Week and this Saturday, March 8th, is International Women's Day. These days provide a forum for people around the world to celebrate and recognize the achievements and contributions of women to our lives.

On behalf of the Premier and Minister responsible for the Status of Women, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, I would like to take this opportunity to recognize the contributions that northern women in particular have made in advancing equality issues for all people of the Northwest Territories.

Last year, we as Members of the Legislative Assembly passed the NWT Human Rights Act. Last week, we pledged to work together to develop and pass effective family violence legislation before the term of our government ends.

Together with the advancement of the GNWT's commitment to the social agenda and the ongoing work of the NWT Family Violence Coalition to develop an action plan on family violence for the Northwest Territories, these undertakings reflect a small part of the immense contributions northern women have made to the well-being of our families, our communities and our territory.

I would also like to recognize the work, guidance and expertise provided by organizations such as the Status of Women Council of the NWT, the Native Women's Association and the numerous community groups and individuals who work so tirelessly on women's equality issues.

Mr. Speaker, 2003 marks the 11th year for the Status of Women Council's Wise Women Awards awarded annually in recognition of the dedication and service women have given to the communities in which they live.

This year, five women were selected by members of the Status of Women Council of the NWT to receive this award: Lena Anikina from Tuktoyaktuk; Edith Squirrel from Fort Providence; Florencia Dacanay, of Yellowknife; Janet Grandjambe of Fort Good Hope; and, Leslie Paulette of Fort Smith.

Mr. Speaker, the positive and caring contribution that these wise women have made to their communities will be formally recognized tomorrow at the Bread and Roses luncheon to be held in the Great Hall beginning at 12:00 noon.

I invite all Members to participate in this special occasion. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Minister's Statement 30-14(6): Premier Absent From The House
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House for the remainder of this week to attend the Arctic Gas Symposium in Calgary. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 30-14(6): Premier Absent From The House
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Braden.

Lack Of Affordable Rental Housing In Yellowknife
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the past three to four years, our territory has been leading Canada as the fastest growing economy in the country. We have been blessed with diamonds and petroleum development that promises to sustain us for years to come, but that superheated economic activity comes with a price, a very tangible price that we are paying as our social infrastructure struggles to keep pace. One of the most pronounced problems we face, and it isn't restricted to the city of Yellowknife, is dramatic pressure on our housing stock. Mr. Speaker, we just can't keep up with the demand. The consequence, sadly, is what used to be an affordable and relatively available housing market is virtually non-existent. It's played havoc with the lives and the pocketbooks of the low and middle income earners, the single families, the young people trying to get a start on life and the elderly trying to make for a comfortable retirement.

Last fall, two Yellowknife business people, renters themselves, told me they wanted to do something and started a petition. I was pleased that Barry Newman and Mark Zimmer accepted my offer to help and today, Mr. Speaker, I will have the privilege of tabling a petition with the signatures of 405 Yellowknifers who agree with us.

What we are seeing is a better way to end and resolve the sky rocketing costs of rent. We want this government to do more to help developers build affordable rental housing. We want all Northerners to be able to afford to live comfortably, safely and within their means and share in the amazing future we have ahead of us. When I was in the malls and grocery stores looking for signatures, Mr. Speaker, I heard more stories from families and people, young and old, about the daunting rent hikes they are facing. Increases of 10, 12 and 14 percent every year for the past three years. Grandparents forced to accommodate their own grandchildren who, as young adults, can't afford to strike out on their own. Single-parent students facing a rent bill of over $1,300 a month.

I also heard from landlords, Mr. Speaker, who need better ways of coping with problems that arise when tenants can't or won't hold up their end of the deal. Our objective, Mr. Speaker, is to get the government's attention and recognize that our 15-year-old landlord and tenant legislation just isn't helping us as we move forward into a new economy in the new NWT. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Lack Of Affordable Rental Housing In Yellowknife
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? You have unanimous consent, Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The problem is that there are too many people with almost no alternatives when it comes to affordable rental housing. Mr. Speaker, the 405 signatures that I will put before the Assembly later today are ample evidence that government needs to look at the situation. To those who have dismissed our efforts as a thinly disguised effort at rent control, I say you are ignoring a very real problem that is affecting many people around us. This is not rent control. I do not want such a blunt and clumsy barrier to development. Both renters and tenants deserve better ways to resolve issues than our laws afford them today. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Newman, Mr. Zimmer and I are under no illusions that the issues we are bringing forward are going to be solved right away. Finding good answers will take time, good research and a good deal of consultation. I appeal to the government to pay attention to the 405 people I represent today and make that commitment to the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Beaufort-delta Oil And Gas Development
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's been some time since we've heard of the Mackenzie gas project and where it's going. There have been meetings continually held around the North, but not too much news has come out until recently. Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the fact that yesterday Imperial Oil Resources, on behalf of the Mackenzie gas project proponents, announced that work will begin immediately in the Inuvialuit settlement region to help determine the optimum location of facilities in gathering pipelines. Mr. Speaker, it's good news, indeed, to see we are continuing to move ahead in developing our own resources in the NWT so that someday we may take advantage of those resources and hopefully have some coming back, more so than now, to the Government of the Northwest Territories so that we can truly help our own people.

Mr. Speaker, hopefully we will hear more in the near future as to where they are going to go and how they are proceeding, as many people are waiting to see if there is going to be more movement and this definitely shows the momentum is still there and work is continuing and we will hopefully see the benefits from that throughout the NWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

GNWT Electronic Mail And Internet Usage Policy
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier in this session, I asked the Minister responsible for the FMBS about the policy that we have today covering e-mail and Internet usage. From his response, I am concerned that there is a need to revisit the policy. He read a line from the policy that said, and I quote from unedited Hansard, February 25, 2003: "The use of this equipment or technology for any other purpose is not appropriate." Mr. Speaker, he then went on to say, again according to Hansard, that: "When inappropriate use is detected, employees are normally advised of this." Mr. Speaker, the policy says no use except business use is acceptable and the Minister has advised us in the House that normally when this happens, employees are advised of it. Later, in speaking to the media, the Minister said the rules are not absolute.

Mr. Speaker, to me that means the policy as it stands is open to manipulation. There is a potential for supervisors to pick and choose when to enforce it. I think that's too arbitrary. It allows for selective enforcement. Right now, the way the policy is written forbids any personal use. Yet, Mr. Speaker, even our telephone policy admits that the GNWT allows, and I quote from that policy: "Employees to have reasonable use of government phones for personal reasons." The entire item covering phone use is about two paragraphs long. There is no question about the policy, as to what is or what is not permitted under it. There is no room for selective enforcement by supervisors. Mr. Speaker, how can the government monitor whether supervisors are selectively dealing with our Internet policy as it now stands? The Minister stated in this House that there have been individuals disciplined under the policy. I am quite sure that other than those few select individuals, there are many others who use the Internet and e-mail for personal reasons.

Mr. Speaker, GNWT employees are using the Internet for personal use, just as they use the telephone for personal reasons. That's a fact. So why not recognize it as being used and come up with a simple and reasonable policy? If we are going to say it's okay some of the time, then let's say that. Perhaps we should say if you are going to use the Internet or e-mail for personal use, use it during coffee breaks or lunch hour or after work. Let's have something that makes sense and is consistent. Let's develop a policy that is simple, reasonable, clear and one that can be monitored across the board. Let's be fair to everyone. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

GNWT Electronic Mail And Internet Usage Policy
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Nitah.

Impacts Of Harmonization Of Income Support And Social Housing Strategy
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last couple of weeks, we have spent a lot of time on harmonization. I never spoke about harmonization until today. Mr. Speaker, my only stand on harmonization is that we are taking one income program we have now and totally changing that and adding something new. The reason for income support, to my understanding, is to help people get the basics. What income support is doing now is trying to make it a little more difficult for clients to be on income support so they could go and get a job. In the NWT, that shouldn't be a problem.

Mr. Speaker, in our smaller communities, that's not an option. If we are going to treat clients with dignity and respect, we should also recognize that there are no jobs that they could just get off income support and get a job. If we are going to be doing that, we should be providing an option for these communities, for these people in communities who are on income support because they don't have a choice, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we are trying to make it more difficult for people to be on income support, so they could go get a job, but what are we doing? We have regional organizations that are just another bureaucracy taking up the jobs, so that they could control communities by making them a social state. Now we have income support that says we are going to make it more difficult for you to be on income support and make it a viable option for you to go get a job, which means leaving town. The resulting factor is moving away from our smaller communities, into the regional centres, into the capital. My colleague, Mr. Braden, talks about the tight housing market in Yellowknife. They are all coming from our communities. Why? Because we can't give them housing there, we can't give them jobs there. Most of them can't get a job because we haven't educated them well enough. Now we are going to make it more difficult for them to live in public housing, to be on income support, which is a basic right of this government. We don't even understand how income is assessed. We understand that IBA payments will be clawed back. We understand that the child tax benefit will be clawed back. We understand that parents who get child support will be assessed as well. I asked them in my communities, have you been consulted? Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? You have unanimous consent, Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we live in one of the highest costing environments in Canada and in the world. Yet, we have governments who have people in our communities that assess income on people who win at bingo, Mr. Speaker. While we can't even create jobs in our communities, we have government bureaucrats assessing people who win at bingo as part of their income. That's assessed as an income. Therefore, the next time they go to income support, they get a little bit less and their rent goes up a little bit higher. Does that make sense? Are we running a welfare state in our communities? What's our definition of consultation? I am going to be asking the Acting Premier this question. There is a court case in British Columbia called Delgamuukw where consultation is a meaningful dialogue between those who are being consulted and those who are doing the consultation. My understanding is that a letter was sent out. That's not consultation, Mr. Speaker. That is just telling them this is what we are going to do. We don't know how you feel, but this is what we are going to do.

Until you provide options to people in our smaller communities with jobs, other than income support, let's try to treat our income support clientele and the housing clientele with a little bit more dignity and respect. They deserve that at least, Mr. Speaker. We fail in other areas, like I said education. That's one area where we fail big time. Now we are trying to degrade them because they have to be on income support. We try to force them to get a job. They are going to have to go to the mines. What happens to their children? There are a lot of single parents in our communities. Have we given them any thoughts? What training do our staff at local housing authorities have? I don't know, Mr. Speaker. Nobody has told me yet. I have talked to some people in our communities. They try to train them, but because of glitches they never really complete those training courses. So a lot of our frontline workers don't understand harmonization and if they don't understand it, how are they going to deliver it? I will be asking the Minister responsible or the Deputy Premier on the meaning of consultation. What does consultation mean to this government? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

I would just remind Members that there is a time limit on Members' statements. It's two-and-a-half minutes and we hope you can try to do it within the time limit. If you ask for unanimous consent, try to keep it brief and wrap up your statement in a short time frame. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Valuable Work Of Parent Advisory Committees In NWT Schools
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on every first Wednesday of the month since becoming an MLA unless I am out of town, I have attended a parents' advisory group meeting at Range Lake North School. I will be doing that again tonight and, in their honour, I would like to speak about the enormously valuable work they do in the school and in our community. I also know that a similar group exists in all other schools in the city and in the Territories and I would like to honour all of them as well. Mr. Speaker, the Range Lake North School PAC is made up of parents who volunteer their time, knowledge and resources for one reason and one reason only: because they care about the education their children receive and they want to contribute to that process. They don't expect anything else in return and they certainly don't get any remuneration for all their hard work. Sometimes they do get very disappointed when they hear public statements by leaders who seem to have less appreciation for the work they do than they ought to.

From my own experience, Mr. Speaker, I don't know any other organization more focused and effective in achieving their stated mission and objective. I was there at the end of last school year when they divvied up the money they raised by various means throughout the year. They voted to give $3,500 for band instruments and another $3,500 to be divvied between all classes, so that every home room teacher can buy supplies for their students. They also put $1,000 towards a science video collection so that their students could have access to this internationally renowned learning tool. They provide a snack program, so that every student would have a snack when they need it if they don't have their own for various reasons. In the past, they have provided hats and mitts to students who don't come to school properly dressed, they make available reflective tape for students, so that they can travel safely in the darkness of the winter, they lobbied for flashing lights in school zones near the school to ensure the safety of the children as well. There is so much they do, it's too numerous to mention, Mr. Speaker. We also know about work being done by groups in other schools, Mr. Speaker.

PAC at J.H. Sissons this year made by hand a neck warmer with the school logo for every student. This was not only to keep the students warm, but to promote and enhance the school spirit. They plan to do it for a whole new set of students who will be entering their school next year.

I know that the committee in K'alemi Dene School in Ndilo is the driving force behind the success of that school as well. Mr. Speaker, I must tell you they do much more than organizing a fund raiser. They are deeply involved in every aspect of the functioning of the school. They are there to support teachers when they go through the stress of preparing report cards and parent teacher interviews. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

The Member for Range Lake is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do I hear any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, may I conclude by saying the parents advisory groups and committees are deeply involved in every aspect of the functioning of a school. They are there to support teachers when they go through the stress of preparing report cards and parent teacher interviews .They are intimately aware of the needs and ups and downs of all the staff and keep in close touch with the school administration, who also take active roles in the workings of PAC because they also know happy teachers make for a good learning environment for the students. Last year, Range Lake North School PAC also organized a forum on class sizes and signed petitions for action and submitted it to the Minister and the school board. Mr. Speaker, I know I speak for every Member in this House when I say we fully appreciate and recognize the important work they do in every school and in every community in the Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Thank you. I would just like to remind Members in the House, there are certain rules we follow with regard to what we bring into the House. I have been notified that a few jaws are moving. I hope you are chewing ice because we do not allow food in the Chamber. Water is allowed, you can be chewing on your ice. Just a reminder to Members. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Deh Cho, Mr. McLeod.