Does the committee agree?
Debates of March 5th, 2003
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Sergeant-at-Arms, would you escort the witnesses in, please?
Mr. Minister, for the record, could you introduce your witnesses, please?
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Mr. Chairman, I have with me today Bob McLeod to my left who is the deputy minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development; to my immediate right is Jim Kennedy, director of corporate services; and to my far right is Fred Koe who is still the president of the NWT Development Corporation. Thank you.
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Antoine. When we left off yesterday, we were on general comments and Mr. Bell was on the list. Mr. Bell.
General Comments
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Brendan Bell Yellowknife South
Thank you. I did have a couple of questions about the Minister's comments, specifically I'll start with the Business Credit Corporation. I recently wrote the Minister a letter. In that letter I asked him some questions about the overall lending policies of the BCC, really of this government. I wanted to ask him about the BCC's lending portfolio and how it weighs various sectors. My understanding is proposals come forward to regional RWED staff and are evaluated sort of on their merits. If they get the go-ahead, they're passed on up -- if they're of the right amount of money -- to the BCC. At some point either the board deals with it if it's a big enough loan, or it's dealt with strictly by staff if it's a smaller loan. I'm wondering if the Minister can tell me, after this risk analysis is done, is there still some chance that it gets the go-ahead from the RWED staff that the BCC will not agree not so much with that evaluation, but I think after considering how their overall lending portfolio looks, they may determine that they're over weighed in the hotel industry, for instance, or an airport or in airplanes or something like this. So a good proposal might come forward, but it just might be the case that the BCC feels it's too heavily exposed to a certain sector. Is that the case? Thank you.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you. The Member's thoughts in regard to the way the proposal moves through the system, through RWED and then to the BCC are correct. On that part, we look at the different sectors and we monitor it through the different sectors. I'm going to ask the deputy minister to elaborate further. Thank you.
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Bob McLeod
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We keep track of the economic sectors and the size of the credit facilities for each sector, but it is not a determining factor in whether a loan is accepted or rejected. We don't set a limit and if a loan will exceed that limit, we don't reject it for that basis. We just track it on the basis of economic sectors for the purposes of reporting to the public and to this Assembly. Thank you.
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Brendan Bell Yellowknife South
Okay, thank you. That's the kind of information I was looking for. So in a situation where I may approach a charter bank with a business plan and say I'm looking for a loan in the hospitality sector, it could be the case that the bank might say to me well, this loan looks to be a safe loan, this looks to be a good business plan, but the truth of the matter is we're just not handing out any more hospitality loans because we're overweight in that sector for the next couple of years. It appears that we don't treat it in the same manner as charter banks in that regard.
I would like to ask a question about the ability of the RWED staff who have initially evaluated the loan to advocate for that application in front of the BCC. Does that happen? Does somebody from the regional RWED staff who have initially seen the loan, do they go forward and sort of make the case as to why it has been passed up to the BCC level?
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
The RWED staff initially would work with the different applicants and try to prepare the applicants for having the Credit Corporation review their application in a favourable light. They work with the proponent. Again, I would like to refer to the deputy minister for more detail. Thank you.
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Bob McLeod
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Working with BCC and our regional staff, we are trying to provide a service to businesses that are out there. It's not unusual for our staff to approach the BCC officials to give readings on applications and to get some direction on areas how they could improve upon an application. So our regional staff is working very closely with the BCC staff and the boards. Also very recently to improve the level of service and to improve on the time and decision-making, we've established credit committees so that the BCC board only requires a smaller amount of members to have a quorum, rather than pulling the full board together. So the service and response has increased significantly in the last year or so. Thank you.
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Brendan Bell Yellowknife South
Thank you. I'd like to thank the Minister and the deputy for that answer. I think that's the kind of client focus that government needs to show, and I'm glad to see that that is going on. I think at times we tend to be too rigid and too stuck to policies, but it appears here that we're being flexible in order to try to meet the requirement for time limits on the part of applicants. So I do appreciate that.
Let me ask about whether or not there's a specific sector considered, that being manufacturing. There is some discussion on manufacturing in one of the last paragraphs in the Minister's opening comments. I'm wondering if at the BCC level there are any priority areas, whether it be loans, grant monies, contributions that are targeted exclusively for manufacturing or value-added sectors; or, if they aren't specifically targeted that way, whether or not manufacturers would have some sort of advantage if they make the case that they're import replacing. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
On the manufacturing sector we've been focusing on creating a more stand-alone sector. The manufacturing sector was attached to the Business Incentive Policy, and we've been working fairly hard with the manufacturers to break that out and have an area of focus. Our intention is to have a focus on the manufacturing sector very shortly. Thank you.
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Brendan Bell Yellowknife South
Thank you. I'm certainly glad to hear that, as well. I think it's important that we focus where we can, despite the fact that we do have limited markets to a large degree. Where there are businesses that appear to be viable and could engage in important replacing, I think it's important to support them.
Let me just ask the Minister, he indicates that there is going to be the development and implementation of a strategy to support and encourage growth in this sector. Can the Minister give me some sort of indication when we might see a strategy? Thank you.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
We have a draft of how we'd like to see this manufacturing sector dealt with. Very shortly we are going to public review on this. Thank you.
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