Mr. Chairman, I try to make a point of visiting all the communities in all the regions and also make a very big point of visiting the renewable resources officers to make sure that their equipment is suitable and is safe and we've been adding new equipment, small equipment, to a lot of the different places where we have officers. We have that in our capital. The assets under $50,000 we have identified quite a lot of small equipment to be purchased this year.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hopefully that will help out in the roles that they have to fulfill. In another area, I would like to get some answers in the area of the diamond projects. When the diamond industry was just beginning in the NWT and talk of mines, there was a fair bit of work to try to come up to speed by our government in the whole area of diamonds. Right now, we do have a number of cutting and polishing facilities. We are well into it now and it seems like that is starting to grow and continue and have a bit of momentum. I would like to know, with that area, what's to become of it? Is it going to be streamlined or downsized? It's understandable when something is first coming into place, that we try to ensure we are prepared through legislative initiatives or policy, but once it's up and running, the private sector has proven that it can take on and move on with some of those initiatives. Are there any plans from within the department in this area? Thank you.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we have a diamond project section in RWED. It's been very helpful and useful for our government. We have no plans at this time to downsize it or eliminate it. The reason I say that is the whole diamond industry is totally unique and different from any other mineral producers in this country to date. The NWT is now one of the largest producers of diamonds in the world. I think we are going to be third. There are a lot of national issues in terms of the Competition Bureau definition. There are also other jurisdictions in this country, Ontario, Quebec, Saskatchewan and Manitoba where there is major diamond exploration going on and I would like to say that we are the leading expert in Canada on diamonds. There is also international work through the Kimberly Process to track the whole area of blood diamonds. At a national level as well, there is the excise tax matter that we need to keep track of.
There is a lot of work, not only in the North to monitor our existing arrangements with BHP Billiton and Diavik and the work that needs to continue with De Beers and Snap Lake. We have a framework policy requiring the different producers to have a memorandum of understanding with us, so that 10 percent of the rough they produce every five weeks is allocated to northern manufacturers. We also have a certification program to track the diamonds from the mine to manufacturing to the finished product. I think this is a very useful tool for us. Through the work of this project we are able to get the different diamond mines to supply rough to manufacturers in the North. I know there is work to be done in looking at that policy with regard to the smaller diamonds. We need to look at that. There is still a lot of work to be done in this sector. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister named quite a few things that the diamond project involves. A fair number of them are ongoing. The certification process, I understand, is up and running. Once you sign an MOU, it's pretty well a template for the other groups, to a large degree. The Minister talked about being the leading edge in the NWT, which is a good thing. We need a few things that we can brag about on the national stage. But I guess more from a management of resources end is...A few areas we are working on right now to try to benefit the industry in the North or our government and a sense of resources. The Minister touched on excise tax, but my understanding is that we were quite caught by surprise that that was going to be removed or had been removed by the federal government. That came up in the House yesterday or the day before. Those things are examples that Members can look at for positive results or benefits we are receiving from expenditures. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Yes, the definition of Canadian diamonds under the Competition Bureau, which is an agency of the federal Department of Industry is threatening our secondary industry, in that the Competition Bureau about two years ago came out with a definition of Canadian diamonds as a diamond that is mined in Canada, but you can take it anyplace in the world and cut it and it would still be a Canadian diamond. So we have a very big problem with that. There is ongoing work we are doing to try to change the definition of Canadian diamond at the Competition Bureau. We are working with the federal government. The Minister of Industry, Allan Rock, is responsible for that, but the Competition Bureau is at arm's length from him, so there needs to be work there.
There is also the whole area of the certification program and certifying the diamonds that are mined, cut and polished in the North by our existing manufacturers. That is ongoing as well. Thank you.
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have some questions under diamond projects as well. The first question I have is just to follow up on what the Minister just stated. He indicated that there is more work to be done in terms of the questions and issues surrounding the definition of Canadian diamond. I would like to ask the Minister, what is the time frame that we have to work with this and when might we expect to see the result of this, or are we looking at something that would be an ongoing process, an ongoing struggle with the federal government? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
On the Competition Bureau's definition of a Canadian diamond, they have already done that. They have already identified it about two years ago and we have been opposed to that definition from the beginning. It's an ongoing process and we can't just do it on our own. We have to convince the board and we are working with the federal Ministers. We are also talking to our counterparts in the other provinces, as they are eventually going to become Canadian producers. Our intention is to try to change this definition. The way the Competition Bureau views it is you can take a Canadian diamond that is mined from BHP or Diavik and you can take it out of the country and have it cut and polished outside the country and bring it back and still say it's a Canadian diamond. We are saying the true Canadian diamond should be one that is mined in the North and cut and polished in the North, preferably here in the NWT in Yellowknife where the existing manufacturers are. This will create a secondary industry and have more diamonds cut here. We have employment here. We have training here. We already have some manufacturing facilities out at the airport. They are expanding them and there are new ones coming up. So it's frightening us. If that definition sticks, then we are going to have a problem in the future. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the Minister reiterating very clearly what the problem is, except that wasn't my question. It seems to me the Minister is saying this is going to be an ongoing process and the department is working on it, but obviously the longer we leave this definition hanging, it's going to get affirmed and it would become the fact. I would like to know - and I have other questions, so I don't want to pursue this for a long time - the task we have on this is to convince the board, and when will we know whether we have succeeded or not in changing their mind about this definition?
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
We have written to the Competition Bureau, we have met with them. We have written to the different federal Ministers and the Competition Bureau is saying they are not going to change the definition. The federal Ministers we have contacted have indicated support for the Competition Bureau. We will continue to raise this issue. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to see the government taking more drastic action, if necessary, to bring this issue to the fore. We can't just wait for the board to do it. I don't know, maybe litigation or some kind of heavy handed response is required here. It seems to me that this is a done deal and that's just the way it's going to be unless some drastic action is taken. So I think that there has to be some proactive aggressive movement needed there.
I have another question on the diamond projects and it has to do with cutting and sorting facilities, Mr. Chairman. We know that there is the newest plant being proposed in Yellowknife by Tiffany's and, as was discussed earlier about the diamond industry in general, now that we are at the third time around, starting with BHP, Diavik and De Beers, the government has learned a lot and industry has learned a lot. But the information I have is that the government is not imposing the same kind of requirements or expectations on the newest company as it did for the previous ones. I have to admit that I am not aware of all of the details of these negotiations. Could the Minister confirm whether the government is expecting, asking and seeking the same kind of deal from Tiffany's as it did from the previous companies in terms of economic benefits or what the government expects companies to contribute when they move here and set up an operation? Thank you.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, on the Competition Bureau, I will welcome any suggestions from the Member on how we can proceed. We have approached all the different MPs in the different provinces. Our task here is to try to educate southern politicians. That's what we are doing at this point in time. On the question regarding Tiffany & Co. and the other process, there is currently, for Diavik, a process in place for the companies that want to be considered for manufacturing the 10 percent of rough for Rio Tinto. So there is a process in place. The different companies that are applying for this allocation are told that we do have a framework agreement policy. We, in the NWT, are a small territory, but we still have our own policies to try to maximize the return from our natural resources. We are telling them that we expect them to follow criteria and framework agreements. So nobody is getting any special treatment. Thank you.
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
So will there be an agreement of some sort between the government and Tiffany's or any of the mines that are going to be working with them, or is this a private company that's going to establish a business where the business is and they are free to do what they want to do? As a government, what sort of influence or input can you have in the way this new company wants to operate here?
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
We have a memorandum of understanding with Diavik that Rio Tinto Diamonds is going to be allocating their share of Diavik diamonds. The MOU with the Government of the NWT is similar to BHP Billiton where 10 percent of production every five weeks will be made available to manufacturers in the North. The framework sets out criteria that we follow and the manufacturers, in order to be approved, will have to be within those criteria. Thank you.