Are we ready to go clause by clause? Does the committee agree?
Debates of March 6th, 2003
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Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act
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Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
Clause By Clause
Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed
---Agreed
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Mr. Chairman, I would like to speak on this one here. I would like to speak to the motion to amend Clause 3 relating to the prohibition of industrial activity in the wilderness conservation area. As you know, I indicated to the honourable Member earlier on that this is to try to comply with the protected areas strategy. We worked with the federal government, the aboriginal governments and the communities to come up with this protected areas strategy and to try to get the Territorial parks in line with it, not only in the interest of the territorial government, but the type of agreement we've reached in coming to this protected areas strategy with other partners has to be taken into consideration. Maybe the Members of this Legislative Assembly should be aware that this is where the perceived problem may be coming from, but I would like to speak to the motion to amend clause 3 relating to the prohibition of industrial activity in the wilderness conservation areas. This amendment provides the wording that will better be reflect the main primary purpose of the proposed amendments to the Territorial Parks Act by...
Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Mr. Chairman, the Minister said that he was going to speak to the motion, but there is no motion on the floor.
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Dent. We are on clause 3. Does the Minister have a motion that he wishes to introduce? Mr. Minister.
Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks ActCommittee Motion 5-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Defeated
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Sorry about that. I would like to apologize. I would like to make a motion that clause 3 of Bill 2 be amended by:
(a) adding ", and to prohibit industrial activity in," after "to protect" in proposed paragraph 3(1)(f);
(b) deleting proposed subsection 3(8) and by substituting the following: (8) A wilderness conservation area may be developed to protect the core representative area.
(c) adding the following after proposed subsection 5(2): (2.1) A wilderness conservation area may be established only if industrial activity can be prohibited in the area.
Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks ActCommittee Motion 5-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Defeated
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Antoine. A motion is on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Antoine.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Again, I would just like to say I want to speak to the amendment of clause 3. The amendment provides wording that better reflects the primary purpose of the proposed amendments to the Territorial Parks Act by bringing it in line with the spirit, intent, goals and objectives of the protected areas strategy. This amendment clarifies that the intent of creating wilderness conservation areas is to protect the core representative areas and to prohibit industrial activity. It also makes it clear that these areas are not to be created until industrial activity can be prohibited by both the GNWT and the federal government. This follows the process set out in the protected areas strategy. Thank you.
Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks ActCommittee Motion 5-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Defeated
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Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks ActCommittee Motion 5-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Defeated
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, during the committee review process, the department made suggestions of this nature and the committee reviewed this motion in comparison with what we wanted to proceed with and felt that that this was even more cumbersome if you refer to the last portion of this motion: (2.1) A wilderness conservation area may be established only if industrial activity can be prohibited in the area. Mr. Chairman, it's leaving a lot out in saying because we don't have that jurisdiction right now, we are going to wait for the federal government to decide if this area can be developed or not or if it will be developed or not or if those lands would be removed, so that we can establish a park. Whereas the committee felt that the amendment we were planning to make would have been much simpler to deal with because it speaks only to what the GNWT can do. This is referring to putting an act in place that would refer to what a federal government can do, might do or may do. Committee members felt that was not conducive to what we thought was the plan and felt that our amendment was much simpler and to the point and dealt with our government's jurisdiction. With that, I can't be supporting the motion on the amendment that's been put forward. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks ActCommittee Motion 5-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Defeated
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Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks ActCommittee Motion 5-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Defeated
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Some Hon. Members
Question.
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is defeated.
---Defeated
Clause 3. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the committee would like to propose a motion that clause 3 of Bill 2 be amended by deleting proposed subsection 3(78) and by substituting the following:
(8) A wilderness conservation area may be developed to protect the core representative area and industrial activity shall be prohibited to the extent that the Government of the Northwest Territories has the power to do so.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 6-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Carried
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland. The motion is on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion.
---Interjection
Committee Motion 6-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Question
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.
---Carried
Clause 3, as amended. Mr. Roland.
Committee Motion 7-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Carried
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The committee proposes another motion. That clause 3 of Bill 2 be amended by
(a) adding "a Heritage Park," after "a Cultural Conservation Area," in proposed subsection 5(1); and
(b) striking out "a Heritage Park or" in proposed subsection 5(2).
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 7-14(6) To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act, Carried
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland. There is a motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Antoine.