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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

In other words, the money has moved into the operation part of the government?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, $130,000 from this fund has moved into salaries and O and M.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Page 11-23, total contributions at $11.653 million. Total grants and contributions $12.018 million. Do you have a question? Page 11-25, forest management, Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I couldn't help but note that we have the same amount of money in the budget this year as far as suppression. I don't know what the circumstances are across the whole Territories, but knowing that around this area at least and I believe south of the lake, the snowfall has been significantly lower this year than what is normal and we have had a couple of dry years, is there a concern that we could be looking at significant extra expenditures this year?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. In this category, this is a whole new figure and the arrangement we have with FMBS is that if we spend the money according to the criteria and it exceeds this amount, then we have to go back to FMBS for additional dollars. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, could the Minister advise the House if the figures we see in this budget for dealing with forest fires are close to, say, what has been spent over the past 10 years on average. So, is this close to a 10-year average or is it above or below it?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Chairman, for the last 10 years, the way we fight fire has changed. Ten years ago we used to fight all fires and we had the budget for it and in the last couple of years, we fight fires if there is a risk factor so the criteria has changed for the amount of money that we used to identify it. This whole new figure has changed quite substantially so the numbers have changed. We have the numbers here that show exactly, right from 1975 to 2002, the number of fires, the area burned, all fires, the fires we've fought, the fires we didn't fight. The average in all years is about 300 fires that would be fought; 199. So, we have those kind of numbers here. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On another issue -- I haven't finished with this budget area -- I know that there was some issue a while ago with the extension of the contract for air tankers and I know I have been pressing the Minister to do an RFP as soon as possible on that. I know the Minister had discussed at one point, because we had gotten to the point where we've gone past the deadline for the termination of one of the contracts. The Minister suggested that it was too late to go to an RFP right away but he could look at doing a short term extension in issuing an RFP to see what sort of prices we could get from Northern operators to deliver air tankers in a fairly short period of time. Why did the Minister choose to go with the five-year extension instead of the one or two-year extension?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

In this regard, we looked at the different scenarios and I guess the main point here was the dollar amount that we are going to be saving. We extended it for the two years with the current prices and we'll go to a form of RFP at some point down the line, not knowing what we are going to end up with. The five-year term that we currently settled on, even though it was five years with the ability of whoever is interested in it to start getting ready now and have something in place in the third year who are developing the RFP. The five year shows that there are going to be some savings after that five years. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The one thing that needs to be noted here, is that the Minister has now made a public commitment that in the third year there will be documents put out so that a public request for proposals may be undertaken and that there will be an opportunity for others to bid on it. I would like to ask the Minister, normally when it comes time to get government services or to have something built, it's quite typical for us if we want the best price to go to tender. How can the Minister say that we get the better price by negotiating a sole sourced contract instead of going to tender? How do you know what is going to come in from the competitors?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Just to make a point here on the extent of commitment we have on this go round, we've written to all the different charter companies and different airline companies about our intention to go to RFP in the third year. To respond to that, we know the base prices that we were engaged in and, with a negotiated price, we are able to negotiate a lesser price, so we know that through negotiations we were able to get a lower price than we had previously. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You know, when the government was looking at waiving the business incentive policy on the North Slave Correctional Facility, they said that was in order to get lower prices too. It didn't work. It didn't get us any lower prices. It really is mind boggling to believe that without going out to ask a competitor or two or three what sort of price they might deliver a service for, how you could possibly say that you're getting the best price. If we knew we could always negotiate the best price, then why doesn't the government negotiate every single contract?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with this negotiated contract with Buffalo, we know we have lower prices from the previous contract. It may not be the best price, but at least it's lower. So we know that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that we've got lower prices because, as the Minister himself said, we don't know that this is as low as we could have got. That, I think, remains the problem in why I thought we should, if anything, do a shorter-term extension for a year or two and then go to RFP because it hasn't helped us to make sure that we know what we're getting. I think that's it for questions, Mr. Chairman.