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Further Return To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be very clear. The advisement came from the Cabinet secretary.

---Interjection

Further Return To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

I have been advised that she also checked with the conflict commissioner as well to verify that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

Supplementary To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I guess we will have to take that issue up with the conflict to interest commissioner to find out what the actual ruling was and if there was a declaration. Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister how he can implement the harmonization strategy because he had no involvement in the development of this whole program and now he's in charge of enforcing it and implementing it? How is he expected to do that? How has he been doing it without having any say in it? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.

Further Return To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Item 7: Oral Questions

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the formation of the policy, I did declare that I was in conflict, according to the rules. Once a decision is rendered and reached on a policy change of this government, as the Minister responsible for a department, I am responsible for the implementation. It does not affect the authority I have under my Ministerial responsibilities. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I do have the responsibility of implementing this policy. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Final supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

Supplementary To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Item 7: Oral Questions

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This whole initiative is a blueprint of how not to do things. We've had the Education, Culture and Employment Minister stand up in this House and state that the phasing in of rent scales applies to everyone. We know that's not true. He's apologized. We've had the Minister state maybe he was in conflict, maybe he wasn't. We have had 30 questions raised on this whole initiative, the Minister has taken 50 percent of them as notice and we'll get back to you on the rest. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if he would consider deferring this whole initiative until we get the proper information and notification has gone out to our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Supplementary To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.

Further Return To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Item 7: Oral Questions

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it's wise if I advise the Members that the intricacies of the questions were related to administrative details. You wanted specific numbers and it takes time to compile them because we are dealing with a wide base, approximately 2,200 households. If we were to just give you a random number, then it may have been different. The important point, Mr. Speaker, is that we are under direction to provide that level of detail and we are prepared to do that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Question 177-14(6): GNWT Harmonization Initiative
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 7, oral questions. Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Nitah.

Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Item 7: Oral Questions

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the issue of harmonization, it seems like the house has been built and the roof is still open and we are wanting to move in before we finish the house. What kind of logic is that for government? I am going to continue my questions for the Minister of the Housing Corporation on assessed income. We have some idea of what's an earned income. In his mind, what's an unearned income, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.

Return To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Every LHO, every community, received a document, a manual that defines what is earned and unearned income. It's going to take a long time to read through, so I won't for the purpose of the question. It has been widely distributed to all communities and to those who administer our local housing association programs and policies. That is a public document, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Supplementary To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Are we expecting local housing authorities to enforce this wishy-washy policy? Mr. Speaker, are they trained to do so?

Supplementary To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.

Further Return To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I am going to refer to my reply yesterday, all LHOs, district offices, the stakeholders and those who have a vested interest in the policy have received training throughout a period of time. We have provided a communication strategy that outlines dates, times and places and each one has received adequate training and, to our knowledge, are satisfied with that level of training. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Supplementary To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have had an opportunity to talk to local housing authority employees right across the Territories. The majority of them are not comfortable with this. They don't understand this. Their training was fraught with difficulty and challenges that the Housing Corporation did not meet. Now we know income is going to be assessed on a month-to-month basis. How do you expect a person living in public housing to even plan for the future when you know if he makes an extra $200, his rent for the next month is going to be different? How do you provide for a healthy sustainable community and society with those kinds of policies? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.

Further Return To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have a wide range of programs and it is designed to fit those people who are impacted. I can't continue to explain why they have such difficulty in comprehending. They need to look at the message we are trying to introduce to the communities. We have deliberately provided manuals, hands-on training, a level of detailed information that will help them to understand the procedures. I, as Minister, have communicated territory-wide. I have gone to specific communities who had some difficulty understanding. Yes, I agree there will be some administrative glitches, but as time progresses there will be a wider understanding of where we are going and certainly, as I stated earlier, as the Minister responsible for the implementation of this program, we want to ensure that the LHOs, the stakeholders and interest groups have the necessary knowledge to help those communities in the transition. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Your final supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Further Return To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again it seems like the work is a continual process. We are not done the assessment. We are not done the training. The house is not completed. Why are you forcing people to move into them? I would like to know if any of the Ministers' relatives are in public housing today? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
Question 178-14(6): Definition Of Unearned Income
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

I believe that question has nothing to do with the original question. That question is out of order. Restate your final supplementary based on your original questions.