I know, I'm on the ball. It speaks again to the inconsistency, because that's the kind of information that I've been trying to get for all of the questions I asked under Aboriginal Affairs. So I think what people don't realize is how much budget there is for travel in government. Anyway, I know I'm not supposed to make general comments, I'm supposed to speak just on this item.

Mr. Chairman, it says here on the impact statement, possible reduction in attendance at federal/provincial/territorial or self-government meetings. It will also mean reduced capacity for economic analysis or managerial studies. So may I ask the Minister do we pay deputy ministers contract services for managerial studies?