Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I agree wholeheartedly with Ms. Lee and her line of questioning on this. Having been my first time through this budget process, we didn't have the benefit of going through the business planning cycle before we went through the draft mains; but, as a new Member, it's very confusing. I found a lot of unanswered questions. The term "other expenses" is fairly open to interpretation.

Two of the things I'd like to see come out of this exercise and maybe budgets in the future, I'd like to see -- and I spoke of this in the House yesterday -- the travel budget broken out by department so when there's a government-wide 25 percent reduction in travel we can actually see that that 25 percent reduction has been met. When travel is not budgeted, I have some difficulty with that.

I also have difficulty with trying to put a number on contracted services. I know that each department does have a number of contracted services. Members were provided with a blue book that accounts for a tremendous amount of government spending on contracted services. I'd like to see some more detail, I guess is what I'd really like to see. That's a question I'd have for the Minister. What is the process that we can see some of these changes take effect for next year so that when we're going through this process we can see what some of these other expenses are? The way it's laid out right now it's very confusing.