Thank you, Ms. Lee. Corporate management on page 11-9, operations expense, total operations expense, $15.925 million.

Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know committee has just approved page 11-9. I can ask my question on page 11-10 if you'd like to introduce it.

Okay. I'll have to read it again. We'll proceed on to page 11-10. Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I've got some questions, I guess, surrounding the Mackenzie Valley development division inside the department. I know this topic came up during discussion during the draft main estimates a couple weeks back with the Minister and his staff. There's an assistant deputy minister position inside the Department of RWED that does not show up on the organizational chart. I know, Mr. Chairman, that the Minister had mentioned that they would fix that. I see in the main estimates here that that position still does not show up on the organizational chart for the Department of RWED. I don't know if it's hidden on purpose or what the story is on why it doesn't appear on the organizational chart. I'll ask again through you, Mr. Chairman, to the Minister, when is that ADM position going to show up on his organizational chart inside his department?

Thank you. The position does appear on the approved organizational charts for the department, but it doesn't make it into the main estimates for this year and I certainly apologize for that. We will make sure that the next time we come before you it is fully reflected in the mains.

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks, Mr. Minister, for making that commitment to us again. I just was wondering if I could get a breakdown on the main estimates for the Mackenzie Valley development division inside your department at $1.191 million. If I could get a breakdown on what those expenses entail. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Bell.

Absolutely, if the Member will just bear with me here one moment. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Compensation and benefits for that division, $287,000; ongoing grants and contributions, $825,000; and, other expenses, $79,000. I'll give the Member the breakdown on other expenses: travel and transportation, $29,000; materials and supplies, $10,000; purchased services, $15,000; and, contract services, $25,000; totalling $79,000. All for a total of $1.191 million.

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, when we talk compensation and benefits, how many employees are inside this Mackenzie Valley development division? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Bell.

Thank you. The employers are the position already referred to, the ADM Mackenzie Valley planning products, there's an executive secretary and there's also a senior advisor Mackenzie Valley development.

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know there have been other Members making light of the fact that we're going to go down the road of the joint committee on the pipeline issues. I see other departments working and it seems like there's not really a coordinated approach to the development of this pipeline. I don't believe it's any fault of the current Minister or the deputy minister, but I don't think enough attention has been paid to that. We're fragmented. We have health doing some, we have MACA doing some, we're trying to get communities ready but really we have no plan. I think this joint committee that we're talking about hopefully will lend itself to us getting communities ready for the impending impact of the pipeline.

I'm glad to hear that the Minister is supportive of that and the Premier as well. Hopefully we can pull it all together. I don't know if we have to call it a Mackenzie Valley secretariat or something to that effect and try to pull the resources that are currently out in other departments, pull it under one roof, give people the one-window-type opportunity to deal with the government on the impending pipeline. Those are more comments for the Minister, but thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Bell.

I'd like to thank the Member for his comments. They're very much in line with my own thoughts. I think as a government we need to approach this in a coordinated manner. I'm not sure exactly what that mechanism will look like internally and that's the discussion that I'm looking forward to having with committee Members. I think a good start is the advisory joint committee set up with Regular Members and Cabinet Ministers, but clearly we have to pay a lot of attention to this. It is one of our highest priorities and we do need a coordinated and concerted effort on behalf of this government. I think there is good work going on in pockets and various different areas. It is now our challenge to bring that together. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Ramsay.

I'm okay. Thank you.

Next we have Mr. Braden.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, must admit to some confusion on just where these pockets of work are and as it relates to the pipeline in the Mackenzie Valley. If anything, we're consistent here in that we have a number of different things that are sort of similarly named, but really give us very little indication of what exactly they're aimed at. I'm a strong advocate, as other Members have said, Mr. Chairman, in sorting this out. If we have to dissolve some existing structures here in order to streamline and improve on a better delivery mechanism, then I would certainly encourage the department to take that kind of initiative.

Mr. Chairman, I wanted to see if I could sort out a little bit of confusion here. In the Minister's opening remarks, page 7, he refers to $250,000 a year going to the APG over the next six years. Funding to aboriginal organizations, not

very well defined here, but $360,000. Then another private sector partnership fund -- again, it's not all that well defined who it's going to -- for $500,000. It adds up to $1.1 million or so. Where in this budget document or in these two or three pages that we're looking at is that covered? It seems to be referred to under the corporate management grants and contributions, but I'd like some clarification.