Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Lee.
Debates of March 29th, 2004
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think we are familiar with the tendering process for more tangible things like 22 mobile homes or firefighting services or something like that, but do these kinds of contracts, consultants, have to go through the same process as those capital projects? Is there some sort of mechanism within each department or each division as to what the guidelines or parameters of each contract is, and is there a requirement for an open contract process? Thank you.
Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, a lot of the services are already services that are engaged in the department. Very often the kinds of services we require in the ministry are based on particular expertise that the individual might have. In this case, we are proposing to continue on with the same companies or individuals, that have been used in the past. If there is a need for additional or other services, then I want to look at putting those through a regular process. Thank you.
Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Did the Minister imply that these were negotiated contracts?
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, yes, I believe in some cases they were negotiated. For example, if we need expertise as a negotiator from outside on devolution, let's say, then we wouldn't have a tender call for that. We would look for someone who has that particular expertise. Thank you.
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Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Minister, can you explain to me why we need negotiators, why that fee would not be included under the compensation and benefits portion? If we need negotiators ongoing and we create agreements where we don't go out to tender, we almost sound like we are hiring employees, but not hiring employees. Could the Minister explain the difference?
Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, if someone is on salary with us, as regular staff, then they will be included in compensation benefits. If they are someone who is on a limited term contract for a specific purpose or on an ongoing contract for some purpose, then they would be under contracts. So we differentiate based on the status of the individual. Thank you.
Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Minister, for your answer, and thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if the Minister could further explain what we get for $100,000 as a term negotiator as in time, how long they
work with the department, and what we get for a $50,000 research contract. I'm just trying to clear this up as in why. Is $100,000 slated to pay a negotiator for a year, and is $50,000 kind of slated around a program to pay a researcher for a year? I'm just curious in us finding new avenues to have excluded negotiated contracts, when either they should be employed within the service or you should be going to public contracts. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the two examples the Member refers to; first of all, the $100,000 for negotiator is for an individual who is on contract to negotiate on our behalf on devolution. That is the amount for his fee and travel for a year. I expect that if things go well, that that contract will continue until we complete devolution negotiations in 2005. The other one of $50,000 is for an individual who we had on contract to determine the true A-base cost of the programs and services that DIAND is offering that are being negotiated through the devolution resource revenue sharing process. Thank you.
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Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Chairman, would the Minister be so kind as to provide me some feeling on tenure service, how long these individuals have had these types of contracts? Has this been an ongoing contract for a number of years that ends in 2005 predictably as pointed out? Can you elaborate on the term that these nice contracts have been out there, because I haven't seen them in the government posting of contracts. Thank you.
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, first of all, the negotiator on devolution we have had on contract for a year-and-half or two years now. It was at the same time, as you may recall, the federal government contracted David Pederson to negotiate for the federal government. I expect our negotiator on devolution will be with us until we complete the devolution negotiations which are scheduled for 2005. This one would appear in the list of contacts for the government. I'm not sure the exact name, but it would be in that list. Thank you.
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the Minister could be so kind in pointing it out, he did say he wasn't sure; I'm not sure either. I would appreciate if the Minister could point that out with the title. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Committee Motion 10-15(3): Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs, Carried
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, it would either be in Hal Gerein or Hal Gerein and Associates or a company that he has under some name, I'm not sure. Thank you.
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