This is page numbers 449 - 470 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was education.

Supplementary To Question 209-15(4): Colville Lake School Expansion
Question 209-15(4): Colville Lake School Expansion
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 209-15(4): Colville Lake School Expansion
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure that we can meet the timeline that the Member has asked for, in terms of getting it on the ice road this year. The department will be meeting with the DEA, and with the residents of Colville Lake, to talk about how we can plan to bring the two structures into one unit. We will do our best to advance things as much as we can, but I can't guarantee that we'll make it on the ice road this winter. We will certainly make it a priority to look at whether we can do that, though. Thanks.

Further Return To Question 209-15(4): Colville Lake School Expansion
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, further to my Member's statement today, I would like to pose my questions to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, I made a statement about the fact that there are a lot of small businesses and northern businesses who go through the ups and downs of running a business in the North, where everything is high. But they stick around, they pay their taxes, they employ our people, they train our people, in the hopes of taking advantage of an economic boom. One of the things that's going to happen when the pipeline comes is that there's going to be a real potential for building houses. The Minister of Housing is not only not looking at the North, but he won't even meet with people who come to tell him about a proposal. Could I ask the Minister why he refuses to meet with northern contractors who could possibly do the job? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Krutko.

Return To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have met with people in the private sector; I've toured different plants in the territory; and I've talked to a lot of people in the private sector about coming forward with a proposal that's a good business case and has financially sound information in it, so that we can proceed on pilot projects. I have not received anything from any of these companies to date, yet they're asking for $3 million to make an investment from this government, with no documentation to back that up. So unless we get that documentation, we will continue to talk with other interested parties. I know that I mentioned that there are interested parties from Hay River talking to companies down south to look at the possibility of developing portable facilities in the North, so that they can construct these facilities in the North, and it has to be accessible to the transportation links in the North with regard to the pipeline project. The effect of that project will be up and down the valley, and it has to be assured that those communities up and down the valley have access to these programs. That's the whole emphasis behind this program.

Again, Mr. Speaker, I have been talking to those individuals. I have toured their plant. Again, we're waiting for correspondence to come back from the different parties. Thank you.

Return To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to wonder why the government thinks it would be a great idea to invest $26 million in an ATCO/Novel project in Calgary, but thinks that that's an unreasonable thing to consider a $3 million investment. Mr. Speaker, I would like to know, from the Minister, in exactly what way he communicated to these companies that he's looking for a proposal. Was it a letter? In exactly what form did he invite these people to submit a proposal? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, just to clear up the Member's issue regarding the $20 million, we have made no investment in this project. The only time there will be a financial investment will be at the end of the pipeline project, when we will consider looking at acquiring these facilities. So there is no investment by way of dollars switching hands here. It is not going to happen for the next five years.

Right now, it's basically a concept that's being put forward, which is unique in regard to the possibility of having a way of solving our housing crises up and down the valley. I think, in order to do that, we have to think outside the box of how we are going to meet our housing crises in the Northwest Territories, where we have communities with almost 80 percent core need for housing, and in most aboriginal communities, which consists of 20 of our communities in the North which are aboriginal, we exceed 35 percent core need. We have to solve that problem, and we can't do it the way we're delivering programs today where we're building 50 houses a year. We have to have a way of dealing with the crises that we face going forward.

As I mentioned, in four years, if we continue to deliver the program as we are, we're going to need 4,000 houses in the next 10 years. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't appreciate the Minister burning up question period time without answering my questions. Mr. Speaker, my question is very specific. There are builders all over the North -- in Hay River, in Yellowknife, and other places -- and let me just talk about the one in Yellowknife who is willing to use people who are in our correctional centre. He is willing to train people. He has built houses. I want to know, very specifically, how and when is the last time he talked to the builder in Kam Lake about how he could get involved in this project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Krutko.

Further Return To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, again, I met with the individual a year ago. Basically, at that time, we asked him to put a proposal forward. It has to have a good business case behind it, and it has to be financially sound. That was the offer given at that time. To date, we have not received any correspondence regarding that proposal. So unless we have a proposal, we don't really have anything to talk about. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Final supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was there in the tour with the Minister. I recall a proposal, but I may be wrong, so I'd like to ask the Minister, when is the last time, or in what form -- in a letter, e-mail, phone call -- did he communicate to that business in Kam Lake, that we have this investment opportunity in the government, and what can you do, is submit a proposal. I want to know when and how. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, we have staff in our department who deal with the business community in regard to proposals, tenders and whatnot. Right now, we are talking to the individual about the project that we're doing in Norman Wells, with the Metis local in Norman Wells, through the development corporation, and the company she's talking about is part of that proposal. Our people have been talking to them regarding that proposal. So it's not that we haven't been talking to them. If anything, we've been talking with them in the last two weeks, making sure that that proposal is sound and going forward with the partnership that was formed in that case.

Again, there have been ongoing discussions between my office and the individual she's talking about, in ensuring that whatever he does, it has to be on paper, it has to have a good business case, and it has to be financially sound. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 210-15(4): Using Northern Construction Firms
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Question 211-15(4): Corporate Tax Overpayment
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I may just say I'd like to thank the students for coming today so they can see oral question period, see history being made, and they're part of it today by being in the gallery.

Mr. Speaker, hoping for the best isn't good or sound fiscal policy. I spoke earlier, in my Member's statement, about the $296 million in corporate tax overpayment that we received from the Government of Canada. We can no longer dodge this, or keep pushing it away, or even ignoring it. So my question to the Minister of Finance is, will the Minister have his officials look into fiscal policy that would require the GNWT, when they become aware of an overpayment, to either set it aside, or return it promptly? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 211-15(4): Corporate Tax Overpayment
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The honourable Minister of Finance, Mr. Roland.

Return To Question 211-15(4): Corporate Tax Overpayment
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Member for that awe-inspiring question.

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Mr. Speaker, this issue is not a new one. We've been trying to deal with this, and how we can deal with our federal counterparts around this issue. We have looked at a number of issues around our fiscal policy, and what we've looked at putting forward is a fiscal responsibility policy that would look at the overall fiscal situation of the government, our ability to borrow and finance that borrowing.

The issue of the overpayment itself, as the Member stated, was a decision made by a previous government. They were aware of the overpayment, and also aware of the payment plan that the federal government has in place, which is basically a three-year program once it has been identified. That has been flowing since the overpayment has been recognized. We are, in fact, coming up to the final year, where, in the next budget cycle, that overpayment has come due. We can look at ways of doing things differently. The previous government had looked at it as an interest-free loan and were aware that it would have to be paid back. In fact, we have a fair bit of that cash sitting, waiting to be repaid. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

Supplementary To Question 211-15(4): Corporate Tax Overpayment
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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To put it in perspective, almost $300 million is approximately 30 percent of this government's budget. By redrafting a fiscal management policy, still doesn't speak to the fact that we're spending money that does not belong to this government. So, Mr. Speaker, if the Minister will not commit to a fiscal policy that stipulates that overpayments be set aside and returned promptly, will the Minister consider a fiscal policy which stipulates that if any overpayment is to be treated as an interest-free loan, as he just pointed out, that money must be specifically voted on in this House by way of a formal motion? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 211-15(4): Corporate Tax Overpayment
Question 211-15(4): Corporate Tax Overpayment
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Roland.