This is page numbers 1433 - 1476 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

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Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that we can say by and large that the two mines have been very successful in getting northern employees hired and meeting their northern employee targets. I can certainly look at the number of years and the annual reports. It would take me some time to do that, but I believe almost across the board they have been able or very close to these targets, in some cases exceeding the targets.

I think these socioeconomic agreements in that regard have been very successful. I did mention the other day in the House that where we've had some concern; our concern has been around the value-added industry. I'm not trying to point any fingers, but I'm saying that we need to certainly sit down and to better understand how this can be successful going forward and make sure we put in place the kind of policy framework and policy directives that would allow us to meet those objectives and those goals. We will have that discussion. We will be able to, I believe, have it in light of and the context of the cost-benefit analysis that we're bringing forward to committee. I think then we can have an informed discussion, look at our success and look at some of our failures in the past and have a meaningful dialogue about how we move forward from here. But I take the Member's point.

It's important for us to continue to track those employment numbers. We know it's only going to get more difficult for these operations to meet these targets. When the Snap Lake mine comes on stream and when we have the pipeline on stream we know there aren't sheer numbers of people, very many people who are unemployed in the Northwest Territories. I would agree that there are pockets of unemployment that we need to deal with, but by and large we do have one of the highest employment rates, if not the highest employment rate in the country, but I take the Member's point. Thank you.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Bell. I'm going to go over to Mr. Braden.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the area here on page 11-20 of the Mackenzie Valley pipeline office there is a budget prescribed here of $1.959 million, Mr. Chairman. Of that, if I follow the document correctly here, $865,000 is for grants and contributions. Now, did I hear the Minister correctly a few minutes ago when he said that some $500,000 of this has already been earmarked for the Aboriginal Pipeline Group? I'm just looking for confirmation of that number. Thank you.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Bell.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you. No, Mr. Chairman, in fact $250,000 in 2005-06 has been earmarked for the Aboriginal Pipeline Group. Thank you.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Braden.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Where I'm going with this, I don't need to sort of drag this out, is that if this is the lead department for the Mackenzie Valley pipeline office and if this is where our government wants to channel all activity regarding pipeline impact, I'm trying to get a sense, Mr. Chairman, of how much will be available to NGOs and community organizations in terms of them tapping our government for financial assistance in their programming. What kind of allocations will we have available for those groups? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Bell.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think it's important to recognize that this is our coordinating agency for the project and is our first point of contact. As I've indicated, and the Member has pointed out there is $865,000 in contributions; $250,000 of which will go to the Aboriginal Pipeline Group; $200,000 of which will be put into the Resource Pre-development Program.

Obviously, other departments are also carrying out activities related to development in general. We know MACA, from the discussions and statements that the MACA Minister has made, has got some community capacity money. We know that the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is engaged in funding some training initiatives. So there are other monies available across government. We are doing our best to coordinate the efforts and ensure that there isn't a duplication and overlap. That is the role of this MVPO, but there has never been an expectation that all monies related to development in general would all cease to be spent by departments. It would all flow through this MVPO. That was not the intent. So if I gave that impression, I apologize.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Braden.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. No, I didn't get that impression, but I just wanted to sort of clarify an assumption here, if you will, is that we are setting this place up. There are going to be different sets of perceptions and assumptions about what it will do. I am getting some more information about what its purpose and function will be. I look forward to the communication plan when it gets rolled out to everybody's satisfaction to understand better what that office is going to do.

Mr. Chair, I would like to go up to the energy descriptions on this page here. I see we are allocating $416,000 to the energy mandate. The description provided here, Mr. Chair, says that the energy unit has the lead in the development of GNWT policies regarding the use and supply of energy sources in the NWT. It goes on to say, Mr. Chair, that the GNWT's energy policy takes into account issues pertaining to continental energy markets, trends, and drivers, etc. I guess I am just a bit confused here. Is there an existing energy policy, a kind of platform, or is this something that this unit is going to be charged with actually developing? It is a bit confusing here. Thank you.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Bell.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you. That is one of the fundamental policy objectives that will be carried out, obviously, by this government, but the actual work will be done by this energy policy unit. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Braden.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Okay, so we don't have an energy policy today.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Bell.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you. Correct. Not a formal public policy on energy initiatives. Thank you.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Braden.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Is there any kind of a work plan or an outline of a critical path that the Minister could provide the committee that would outline how and where we are going to get this policy developed?

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Bell.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As we develop this work plan that will flow from the work of this office, and we've had this discussion with committee, we will be in touch with committee and have that dialogue and seek input, in fact, from committee on the direction that we are proposing, to make sure that we are headed in the direction that appears to make sense and seems practical in terms of what the committee believes we should be doing in this area. I look forward to a very productive discussion because I know our Cabinet believes this is of critical importance. If there is a void here, it is important that we fill that void. We are not going to do that absent committee input though. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Braden.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In the last Assembly, this government invested almost $2 million in the Energy Strategy. I would like to know if that is really the extent of the public consultation that we are going to be undertaking. Have we spent enough on that front end now? Do we know enough about our energy situation? Can we proceed with confidence and with a good basic knowledge on which to build those policies? Are we still looking at considerably more research, development and consultation, Mr. Chair? Thank you.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Bell.

Committee Motion 22-15(3): Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position, Carried
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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Member is right. In past governments, a significant amount of resources and work went into the Energy Strategy. I believe the Member also remembered the Robertson report. I don't think that is the actual name of the report. Currently, from discussions in the House the other day, I reported back on the work of the Western Energy Alliance and the work that is going to be undertaken by that body in terms of developing public policy, doing supply analysis, and having some discussion around regulatory issues for the entire western and northern region going forward. So there is a lot of work that I believe we can build on here. There is no sense ignoring much of what we have done in embarking on expensive consultation and spending millions and millions of dollars to do that. I assure the Member that is not my intent. We will build on the work that we have done, but there is a policy vacuum in this area, and we are seeking to ensure that that is no longer the case and we step in and fill the void. Thank you, Mr. Chair.