Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As the Member knows, I'm very supportive of on-the-land camps. I agree with the Member that an important aspect of them is not just traditional knowledge, but working with the elders in the healing process. That's absolutely essential. The Member also knows that we have to have people who want to take the programming. We're hoping that the new approach will help us get more people into the camps.

The Member asked what the camps need. They need more people in them to be more successful because they make their money by charging us on a per diem for the inmates who are in attendance. That would make the camps more successful, too, if there were more people taking the programming.

The Member asked about Tl'oondih. I've shared with the Standing Committee on Social Programs and I think Members in this House in response to a question that the department felt the program that was run there about a year ago was successful. The corrections staff and inmates were all quite impressed by the calibre of the programming and the way the whole thing ran. In fact, we're in the process of getting another intake of inmates to Tl'oondih right now, so it is something that's being used again. We're hoping and expecting that this group will be as successful going through there. We're finding generally that the people who take the on-the-land programming that it is quite good for them. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.