I can wait for that detail. I am trying to understand it from a budgeting perspective on how it all works. Some departments budget it in a different way too. So if in a year you saw a 10 percent decrease, let's pray that it happens, in the price of fuel, how is the government going to show that? Are we going to be expecting departments to give back hundreds of thousands of dollars because you didn't need to spend it on fuel or will you find other places to spend it? That's all I am getting at, Mr. Chairman.
Debates of March 9th, 2005
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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An Hon. Member
Good question.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as we approve the budgets and the budget lines and the departments request an increase for a specific forced growth issue such as fuel, and if the price, for whatever reason, comes in lower than was anticipated, then there would be a surplus in that budget and it would come back to general revenue. That would be the practice. Thank you.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Bill Braden Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think Mr. Ramsay has raised a flag on many of the same concerns or issues that I had with this. I am not going to object to these. This is a consequence of running our government as much as any businessperson or homeowner faces a consequence of keeping the fuel tank topped up.
I guess one area that I might ask about and I hope I am not duplicating something Mr. Ramsay has asked about, but are we trying to contract or buy forward with any of our fuel supplies, for any of our communities or major departments or do we more or less buy the fuel as and when needed at whatever the market rate might be?
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As we've gone through the Department of Public Works and Services and looked at the area of POL, we would be impacted by the time we went out for resupply to the communities. That is broken down into two areas. One is by ice road and one is by barge system. So at that time, when the contracts are issued, we would have to look at the prices then and make adjustments if we found that the prices had gone up higher than we had anticipated.
For this fiscal year, we feel that we've done pretty good and there shouldn't be much of a change. I believe we have just issued the contract for resupply for winter roads and are waiting to see the final numbers on that. What I am told in the area of POL, that we should be coming out in a pretty good fashion for the ending of the 2004-05 fiscal year. Thank you.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Bill Braden Great Slave
That's good news on the small community side where there is a one-shot resupply window.
The larger communities, I would anticipate, overall would account for a much larger chunk and here, Mr. Chairman, I am looking at the needs of our big infrastructures; schools, airports, water treatment facilities and things like that. Here is where again, are we knowing what our annual volumes are fairly accurate? Are we taking advantage of our volume, if you will, and using every possible leverage to buy ahead and get a good price and lock things in? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When we enter into the area of communities that have a private sector, we do not bulk purchase or purchase futures, is one way of looking at it. It's pay as you go. When you get that monthly bill from the supplier, we would pay the invoices. So in the larger communities, where there is a private sector, it's a pay-as-you-go area. We realize the cost to the government. One of the areas we have had to look at and plan to bring together is a broad energy strategy that will take in the concerns raised around this area when it comes to the supply of power, as well as supply of fuel for our facilities. As we are aware, in all communities, private as well as the communities where the service is by POL, government departments pay full cost. It's not subsidized. So we would pay full cost of the supply of the fuel in that community. It's something we are
going to have to begin to deal with as we begin to see the prices of our energy continue to climb. Thank you.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Bill Braden Great Slave
Mr. Chairman, I guess I am surprised, quite surprised, if I hear the Minister right that we make no attempt whatsoever to get the best deal we can from suppliers where there is a competitive private market. Did I hear that right?
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, when we had the Department of Pubic Works and Services issuing contracts on behalf of all departments within a community, there used to be that opportunity. But as things went to user-pay/user-say, boards would enter into their own contracts. Some boards may enter into contracts to supply fuel, for example, on an annual basis and maybe they will cut a deal, but we are quite fragmented in that area now as we have gone away from the previous contracts that used to be issued and we try to secure the service in bulk. It's something as we go forward we are going to have to wrestle with as a government. Thank you.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Bill Braden Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I won't press this any further on this agenda tonight, Mr. Chairman. I have learned something that I certainly intend to carry into committee's business. The GNWT should use every advantage that we can to get good value for the taxpayers' dollar. We have every right to use the competitive marketplace to our advantage and the government, in many ways, is a major supplier and consumer of services. One, for instance, is in the rental market, Mr. Chairman. I believe the Yellowknife Housing Authority has something like 600 units under lease and yet I wonder to what extent do we use our buying power as a large tenant to get good deals. It's in that context that I fully intend to see what our government could do to really press the case and go out there and get a better deal. I don't have any questions, but I have learned something here tonight. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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The Chair Kevin A. Menicoche
Thank you, Mr. Braden. NWT Housing Corporation. not previously authorized, $789,000.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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The Chair Kevin A. Menicoche
Education, Culture and Employment, operations expenditures, advanced education and careers, not previously authorized $100,000.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 40-15(3) To Amend Bill 17 To Come Into Force On The Earlier Of The Prorogation Of The First Session Of The 38th Parliament And The Coming Into Force Of The Civil Marriage Act (canada), Defeated
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The Chair Kevin A. Menicoche
Education, Culture and Employment. not previously authorized, $497,000.