I will now rule on Mr. Ramsay's point of order. Yesterday, the Member for Kam Lake, Mr. Ramsay, rose on a point of order under Rule 23(i) with respect to remarks made by the Minister of Health and Social Services. The Member claimed that the Minister's remarks imputed motive.

The initial remarks made by the Minister were not heard by the Chair, nor were they recorded in unedited Hansard. Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms, 6th Edition, on page 143, states that: "Remarks which do not appear in the public record and are, therefore, private conversations not heard by the Chair, do not invite the intervention of the Speaker, although Members have apologized for hurtful remarks uttered in such circumstances. The Minister, in an opportunity to speak to the point of order, did make reference to the alleged remarks and offered to withdraw the remarks if they offended the Member from Kam Lake.

Specifically on page 690 of the unedited Hansard, the Minister did state, and I quote: "However, my intention is not to threaten the Member, my intention is not to drag his spouse into this, but just to point out that there is a clear connection."

Had the Minister not made reference to those comments, I, as chair, would not have been able to find a point of order. I do, however, appreciate the input of all Members who offered their views when the opportunity arose. The Member for Kam Lake does, indeed, have a point of order. No Member should input false or hidden motive to another Member. I would like to remind Members that they are all honourable Members and I would ask that the Minister of Health and Social Services apologize to the Member and the House and withdraw the offending comments. I have heard the Minister do that, but I will, in a moment, give him the opportunity to do it again.

Further, I would like to remind all Members that they should refrain from naming family members and, for that matter, any members of the public who are unable to defend themselves in this House and are not protected by parliamentary privilege. Mr. Miltenberger.