Madam Chair, a lot has been in the North, and in this government and around the world about the escalating cost of energy and how it impacts our cost of living, and certainly in this government how it's going to impact our bottom lines. I would like to see if the Minister could give us a bit of information on what kind of energy initiatives the Housing Corporation has undertaken to assist in managing this extremely expensive part of our operation.

I note, Madam Chair, that in the information given that the department is looking at a couple of areas of increasing expenditures. It's an interesting kind of inversion going on here, Madam Chair, in that heating fuel budgeted for -- this is under Public Housing Program funding for the provision of public housing and rent supplement programs to low income residents. We're actually forecasting a decrease in the cost of heating fuel, Madam Chair, from an estimated $6.4 million this year to 5.7. This is sort of why I was asking what kind of energy management programs are we undertaking here, because if we're going to be saving this kind of money, I'd sure like to find out how they're doing it, Madam Chair.