Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am sure I hang out in different places than the Minister and talk to different people. I am sure his staff are not going to tell him that there is a problem with these issues, but I can tell

you that I am sure the Housing Corporation staff don't know why this was transferred. I know that ECE staff that are administering this program wish that they never got it in the first place and, most importantly, the user groups are not benefiting from this at all.

I understand that we had to streamline it and make whatever process transparent or consistent. I don't have a problem with that, but definitely the people who used to get this housing program from the Housing Corporation feel that they were treated much better. They were treated with more respect and dignity than what's going on now. I am sure it's an isolated case, but there are lots of cases like that where people are being followed, tracked and being asked very personal questions about their income and such. I don't know how to revisit this, so I am going to ask the Minister for an idea as to how we review this.

Maybe he could come to us with some information as to how he is convinced that this program works. I don't know what the indicators are. Are there more people being...I don't know. He seems to be very certain that this is the right way to go and this is the better way to go, so I am prepared to receive any information he may have that would convince me of that. I would like to see that as soon as possible, instead of hearing that he is saying it really doesn't matter what motions are passed or what's being spoken here, that he is going to stay the course.

Also, the additional information that I asked, I would like to ask the Minister if you would make a commitment to inquire with the rental board, landlord and tenancies board, rental tenancies board. Inquire with them as to how many of the cases that they have been getting are having to do with this situation and also I would like to know how many people who used to qualify under the Housing Corporation are no longer able to access that program in Yellowknife as well as in communities, as much as possible.