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Bill 2 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

At this time I would like to ask the Minister responsible for the bill, the Hon.

Mr. Roland, to give us his opening remarks and introduction of the bill.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008, requests authority for additional appropriations of $21.305 million for appropriation expenditures and $7.951 million for capital investment expenditures in the 2007-2008 fiscal year.

To clarify the contents of the bill, of the $21.305 million in operations expenditure appropriations requested in the supplementary appropriation, approximately $1.9 million is offset by federal revenues. That includes $1.4 million for municipal rural infrastructure funding.

Of the $7.951 million in capital investment expenditures requested in the supplementary appropriation, $4.5 million is offset by revenues, $1.7 million is in municipal rural infrastructure funding from the federal government and $2.7 million is from Canada Infoway Inc. as part of the Canadian Electronic Health Record System project.

Major items included in this request for the operations expenditures are as follows: $5.3 million associated with hospital and physician services to N.W.T. residents receiving services outside of the N.W.T.; $2 million across departments to fund increased utility costs related to government operations; $1.6 million for increased expenditures for supplementary health benefits, including extended health benefits, indigenous health benefits and Metis health benefits; $1.6 million for additional costs incurred for dental premiums and medical travel assistance payments on behalf of G.N.W.T. employees; and $1.2 million for additional costs related to the Territory Power Subsidy Program.

Also of note on the operations side is a net increase of $2.8 million for the environmental liability associated with government infrastructure as a result of 11 newly identified sites as well as a re-evaluation of some previously identified sites.

That concludes my opening remarks. We’ll be prepared to answer questions Members may have. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Roland. At this time I’d like to ask the Minister if he’ll be introducing any witnesses.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the committee agree that the Minister brings in his witnesses?

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Some Honourable Members

Agreed.

Sergeant-at-Arms escorted the Minister’s

witnesses into the Chamber.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

For the record, would you please introduce your witness, Mr. Premier.

Bill 2 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Chairman, joining me at the table is Ms. Kathleen LeClair, the secretary to the FMB.

Bill 2 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Welcome, Ms. LeClair.

At this time I’d like to ask the Members if they have any general comments in regard to the supplementary appropriation.

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Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to make a couple of general comments on the Minister’s opening remarks.

Since I’ve been here I’ve seen a few of these sups come forward. I’m just a little concerned that when they do their actual budgeting exercise, it seems that they come back for some extra funding that wasn’t asked for before. I’m just hoping that this is not an indication of not budgeting properly or waiting for a lot of the actual costs to come in before they realize they’ve budgeted wrong. I’ve seen it happen in a few other cases, where numbers are being budgeted, and when it comes down to the actual, we seem to be…. The estimates seem to come in a lot less than what it’s actually costing us. I just hope this is not a trend.

I understand there’s some stuff that we just can’t get away from. There are emergencies and a few other things that weren’t foreseen when they were doing the actual budgeting exercise. I just wanted to make a few comments to that effect, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Chairman, the area of the supplementary appropriations is something that is, as well, shared, in the sense of the concern the Member has raised.

As this government starts its work, this is the first supplementary appropriation for the 16th Legislative

Assembly. The process we’re moving forward with is that the supplementary appropriation would be used for emergencies, unforeseen events that departments were not able to plan for.

As we begin our business planning process, we’re working with departments to ensure that they build into their business plans the appropriate dollars for running initiatives that have been identified. We’re looking to reduce the use of supplementary appropriations in the future.

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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, a couple of things pop out for me. The first one is the $2 million across departments to fund increased utility costs. Not unrelated, the second one is $1.2 million for additional funds going towards the territorial power subsidy program.

I think we have big opportunities for energy savings and doing things in a better way that’s both cheaper and beneficial to our environment. I, of course, have been bringing some of those ways forward, and I know the Premier and his cabinet are aware of those. But I think it highlights, as well, some of the infrastructure, like the mini-hydro run-of-the-river projects that are small-scale, appropriate to the small communities and most beneficial to them.

A little bit of upfront pain can give really long-term gain financially as well as in these other areas of social and environmental benefits. So I’m hoping to see those sorts of things in the future. I realize this is just a supplementary budget, but these things do pop up.

Bill 2 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Chairman, the area the Member has identified is of growing concern, I guess, is a fair way to put it. We’ve had to identify additional costs throughout the year. Some of that is because, as we have told departments, they need to eat some of those costs and encourage energy efficiency. As well, as Members are aware, the fluctuating price of oil across the country and the nation also has a direct impact on ourselves and the departments. So we’ve had to make these types of adjustments.

The Territorial Power Support Program, as the Member has touched on, is a concern to us as well, as we continue to top up that budget item as we’re forced to deal with the increased costs of utilities across the Territory.

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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I just have a couple of comments. This is a new process for me. This is the first sup appropriation that I have seen, and I want to echo the comments of my colleague Mr. McLeod, in that it seems to me that many of these expenditures in this supplementary appropriation should have been foreseen, particularly the utility costs. I don’t think it was a surprise to anybody. A year ago I think we should have been able to know that our utility costs were going to increase, and they should have been budgeted for.

There are a couple of other things in here, as well. From what I see in this appropriation, it’s expenses which are necessary, but I again reiterate that they should have been foreseen. I would hope and I’m glad to hear the Premier say that in going forward, our budgets will hopefully be a little more accurate, that we will have fewer supplementary appropriations and that, if I heard him right, they will be for emergent items as opposed to ongoing O&M. I’m glad to hear that.

My belief is that we should budget the way we would in our personal lives for our own household expenses: you set a budget and you spend the money to the budget limit. And when that’s gone, you don’t spend any more.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Chairman, as I’d stated earlier along the lines of this area of the use of supplementary appropriations, it will be something that, as the 16th Assembly, we will have to work

with, to work around reducing the use of these items. It would be, as well, Members who would help in that in the sense of policing the use of that by continuing to send the message back through Ministers and departments about proper planning. The fact is that, in our current fiscal situation we have to come to the realization that there’s only so often you can go back to the well before the bucket comes back dry.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

We have a lot of new Members here. I’d just like to remind the Members that you do have ten minutes to ask questions and make a general comment, and also within your ten minutes you can ask more than one question. You’re not limited to one question. You have ten minutes. I just wanted to throw that out there.

General comments? If there are no more general comments, would the committee like to proceed?

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Some Honourable Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

We’re now on tab 2. I believe we’re starting on page 5: Legislative Assembly, Office of the Clerk, not previously authorized: negative $47,000. Does the committee agree?

Legislative Assembly, Operations

Expenditures, Office of the Clerk, $47,000 approved.

Bill 2 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Legislative Assembly, not previously authorized: negative $47,000. Agreed?

Total Legislative Assembly, $47,000 approved.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Page 6, Executive Offices, Executive Operations Expense, not previously authorized: $981,000. Agreed?

Executive Offices, Executive Operations

Expense, $981,000 approved.

Bill 2 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Total Executive Offices, not previously authorized: $981,000. Is the committee agreed?

Total Executive Offices, $981,000 approved.

Bill 2 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

This binder should be on your desk. We are on tab 2, page 5. We’ve dealt with Legislative Assembly, Operations Expenditures. We just went through the Executive Operation Expense. We’re on page 6. Are you ready to continue on?

We’re on page 7. Human Resources, Executive continued, Operations Expense, Directorate, not previously authorized: negative $185,000. Agreed?

Human Resources, Executive continued,

Operations Expenditures, Directorate, $185,000 approved.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Human Resources Strategy and Policy, not previously authorized: $187,000. Agreed?

Human Resources Strategy and Policy,

$187,000 approved.

Bill 2 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Employee Services, not previously authorized: $1,579,000. Are we agreed?

Employee Services, $1,579,000 approved.

Bill 2 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2007-2008
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Total Human Resources, not previously authorized: $1,581,000. Are we agreed?

Total Human Resources, $1,581,000

approved.