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Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Comments? I believe that’s it for general comments. We’ll allow the Minister to respond to those general comments.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Chair. Most of these issues certainly will be addressed in the detail. A lot of areas, Members have stated, are important factors to consider. There have been some changes: training of early childhood workers while they're away, arts and performers and culture, increasing funding.

Some of these areas have been stressed in this House, and we did listen to the Members. ALBE — Adult Literacy and Basic Education — has been an ongoing challenge at the community level, but we are certainly noticing that and focusing on where we can improve in those areas. The PTR — we are heavily focused on improving this area. Inclusive schooling: that's also increased by 19 per cent. So those areas that we touch on will certainly benefit the North.

Income Security has been a big issue lately. With respect to the transfer, it's still ongoing. We've done a lot of work in that area. We did present to the committee, I believe, two weeks ago — gave them

an update on the progress we've made. I think we're making great strides in that area.

Income support, as Mr. R.C. McLeod has pointed out — I think it's important to highlight that as well. We are, as a department, focusing on that area. We need to have our community members have productive choices, and one of the areas we're currently developing and want to implement is Ready to Work, as well, in that area. We will be working with Aurora College and different institutions, having a program in place for them, so they can be available for work, prepped for work. We are doing as much as we can in that area.

Teachers' housing is an issue that we've been faced with for a number of years. We met in Norman Wells, I believe, a month ago, and every single chairperson from each region — five regions — did stress the frustration, the losing of the teachers, the recruitment. Recruitment is a challenge. The first question they ask is: what kind of housing do you have? So for that, we invited the superintendent of the group…. All the superintendents were there. The spokesperson met with us this morning; myself, HR, and also the Housing Minister was there. They did give us some options to work with, coming from the chairs and the superintendents of the districts. So we are making progress. I believe we're going to come to some conclusion for the betterment of the communities, and we will be discussing further with the committee, of course — moving forward, finding some solutions in that area. So I think that's good news in that area that we are working together. Mr. Hawkins talked about synergy. We're moving towards that area.

Mr. Chair, most of these issues that were brought to our attention I've touched on. Elders having their own homes and elders in public units — it has been brought to our attention that there needs to be a balance; we've been told. So in those areas we need to look at the program itself. But we can certainly talk further in detail at a later time, because we still have three years of planning to go through this business planning process.

Daycare — the availability and the program itself — has been brought up in this House. There are different types of programs that are available to daycare facilities and individuals that are caring for children. There is funding in place for them.

Apprenticeship, apprenticeship, apprenticeship. That has been highlighted on numerous occasions — even Mrs. Groenewegen in Hay River — starting from school; it has been highlighted. That's part of the reason why we've invested so much in apprenticeship and are reinvesting $1 million back into the wage subsidy to offset that, and then new initiatives. That's one area we've heard over and

over, so we've made a commitment to focus in that area.

Social workers in the schools — we've heard that if we had more money, then I'm sure a community would welcome that. But we're limited in the funding that we work with. The funding we give out to the school board authorities, it's at their discretion to dispose of in areas of interest: a program that meets the needs of the school, and also the students and the teachers.

Also, the Foreign Worker Program: we are making progress in that area. We met with our Yukon counterparts and federal counterparts, so my staff have been working with those parties. There's ongoing discussion, and we will be submitting a paper on that.

Children First Society — yes, Mr. McLeod has raised that issue. I met with the group I believe three times while in Inuvik. We did receive a letter just late last week from the mayor of Inuvik, approving that there is a lot that they've identified. We just received that, so we will be working with that within our department. So we are making progress in that area.

Mr. Chair, I think that's basically the overall general comments, because some Members alluded to other Members' statements. I don't want to take up much time on general statements, because I think the details would highlight most of those areas. Mahsi.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Minister Lafferty. What is the wish of the committee?

Interjection.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Detail? Maybe turn your attention to page 8-7, Operations Expenditure Summary, Department Summary: $293.914 million. We'll defer that until the end. Page 8-8, Active Positions — By Region, information item. Mr. Abernethy.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr.

Chair. As

highlighted in my comments, I just want some clarity on some of the position deletions that are going on within the department. I see that the department is actually increasing by a total of seven positions, yet I'm aware that five employees have been identified and have been told that they'd be affected.

I'm curious — number one — about the status of those five positions. Are they vacant positions? Are they filled positions? I'm also curious what process the department went through in finding areas for reductions, and what criteria they used for identifying positions within the department to have

them declared affected. I'll stop there. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Minister of Education, Mr. Lafferty.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Chair. In '08–09 the proposed reduction — just highlighting the active positions: the coordinator position, Education and Culture branch, one position; administrator position, Official Languages Division, one position. Going on to '09–10, coordinator, College and Career Development, one position; finance officer, Student Financial Assistance, one position; Strategic Business Services division position, two positions. So the total reduction in that area for '09–10 is four, and in '08–09 it's two positions.

Also, due to sunsets that we had, the ASEP coordinator, one position; and also the career education coordinator, a half-time position, has been sunsetted. Mahsi.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just to be absolutely clear, that’s two positions, not including the sunsetted positions, that are being eliminated in ’08–09. What is the status of those positions? Are they filled, or are they vacant?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Minister of Education? Mr. Devitt.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Devitt

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There were three positions or people impacted. Two associated with the administrative assistant’s position, because that affected two employees. Both employees have been placed and have positions. There is one affected person in the coordinator position that still has to be placed.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Going to the second part of my first question, I’m curious: you were given targets to find reductions, and I’m curious what criteria you used in order to determine which positions would, in fact, be targeted for deletion.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Deputy Minister Daniels.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daniels

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When we went through the reduction exercise, we weighed the priorities that we were given from the 16th Assembly. We also weighed the various priorities that we’ve identified in our departmental strategic plan. We examined areas where we can possibly rethink how we do our business. Based on those discussions, we subsequently identified positions that could potentially be reduced as a result of changing the way that we do some of our work.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Abernethy.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Mr. Chairman, I’m done.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Hawkins.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’m just trying to extend a little further than my colleague Mr. Abernethy and get a sense of the evaluation. I heard they did some work to see how they could reduce, but I’m just trying to get a sense of how they went about evaluating whether a position was needed or not. So could either the Minister or deputy minister describe the evaluation process of the eliminated positions — how they went about making that type of decision?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Deputy Minister Daniels.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daniels

With respect to the coordinator position, it was tied to one of our proposed reduction activities in the area of assessment, where we proposed to reduce some testing services. Along with that, we’re also looking at how we could possibly change some of our regular reporting or receive an assessment. With that in mind, that position was identified as one that could be eliminated. With respect to the position in between the Official Languages area and the Education and Culture area, we assessed the potential for combining the work of those two positions and retaining one position in there.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

The coordinator position…. I’m just trying to get a sense. You dropped the assessment testing. What percentage of that job was related to this testing?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daniels

The testing itself that tied with the Alberta achievement test is somewhere in the neighbourhood of 5 per cent. It’s the reporting on some of our major publications where there’s a more significant impact on the workload there.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

What about the other 95 per cent?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daniels

There’s other work that the coordinator does as well, in addition to the coordination of some our major publications, such as our Towards Excellence document that’s produced every two years. There’s other work that goes on in terms of supporting the school boards and the superintendents in terms of ongoing student assessment and evaluation and reporting.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Could — I assume the deputy minister but, of course, the Minister as well — someone expand as to who will now pick up those duties, and how that was decided? Thank you.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daniels

We’re looking at coming up with some alternatives in terms of those other duties, whether it’s other folks who work in the department or possibly working closer or having the school

boards themselves take on an expanded role in those areas.