In the Legislative Assembly on October 24th, 2008. See this topic in context.

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

October 23rd, 2008

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, in the news earlier this week there was a story about two women who had escaped from the women’s jail in Fort Smith. It caused a great deal of concern, especially here in Yellowknife. It wasn’t too long ago that we had a fire that left eight families out in the cold at Bison Estates, and the person who committed that crime was in this facility and escaped. This was a very serious crime, and I’d like to ask the Minister how it is that an individual who commits a crime like that ends up in a jail where she can basically walk out the door.

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. The honourable Minister of Justice, Mr. Lafferty.

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. This certainly has been an issue within our department. That particular individual had been placed in the Fort Smith facility in remand. They were waiting for their court hearing. That is part of the reason they were stationed out of the Fort Smith facility.

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Again, I think having individuals in remand for an extended period of time and in locations where they’re not secure…. If they can just walk out the door, that causes me a great deal of concern, and it should cause the public some concern. Why would an individual like this be remanded in a facility where she could basically walk out the door?

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, as the Members would know, we have a women’s corrections facility in Fort Smith, the one and only in the North. We’re limited to holding our inmates, depending on their cases…. If they’re charged and going through a process where they’re before court proceedings, we have to hold on to them in a particular facility. That’s the only facility we can hold our inmates in. We have no other options.

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I hear the Minister on this: it’s the only women’s facility we have in the Northwest Territories. But for persons who are in remand, who are charged with serious and heinous crimes, why would you keep them locked up in a facility where they could climb out the window or walk out the front door? That doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s not good from a public safety standpoint. Why wouldn’t an individual like this be sent to the South into remand at a secure location where they couldn’t walk out the door or escape through a window that’s unlocked?

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, when this whole incident occurred, they had to go through the court proceedings, and they had to be remanded because there was a court appearance that was coming up. There was a need to hold this individual

in the North because of the court proceedings. That is part of the reason why we had to.... We do have the facility in the North, although it may not be fully secured. Because of the safety factor of the facility, that’s part of the reason why we had to have these ladies in remand.

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay.

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, it doesn’t leave me with a great deal of confidence in our justice system if, when a woman in the Northwest Territories committed a very serious offence and was remanded, we would put her in a facility where she could escape out the window or she could walk out the front door. That’s what I heard the Minister say. That’s not good enough from a public safety standpoint.

In this case it’s a woman charged with a very serious offence. It’s lucky people didn’t die that night when that fire was set. Why is she remanded in a facility where she could walk out the door or climb out an unlocked window? That’s what I’d like to know, and that’s what the public deserves to know.

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Minister of Justice

This particular issue is of great concern to us, as well, at the Department of Justice. We are doing what we can. We have brought forward a proposal for a new facility in Fort Smith to deal specifically with a secure facility. We are in the process of having a truly secure facility in the River Ridge area that’s across from the women’s corrections. We’re doing what we can at the present time to expedite the process so that we do have a secure facility to store these female inmates. Mahsi.

Question 48-16(3) Territorial Women’s Correctional Facility
Oral Questions (Reversion)

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.