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Bill 18 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2008–2009
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That’s good. I understand the process. I kind of like the process that you’re implementing with respect to giving the $15 million to the departments so they can plan, and I understand the timing on this.

I still think this is something that the Department of ITI could have done some forecasting on and done some planning on. They could have planned for it in the normal budget process, and they wouldn’t be coming back. They had $10 million in supp, which is for emergencies. Now we have $9.5 million for emergencies. Every time we whittle it down on something that should have been or could have been known, I think we’re hurting ourselves down the line just in case we have emergencies — a major forest fire year, losing a bridge here, losing a bridge there, any of those things — which is what that $10 million should be used for.

I do have one question, though. You said that ITI’s portion of that $15 million is $90,000. That seems a little low: $90,000 based on $15 million for ITI doesn’t seem very high.

Bill 18 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2008–2009
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr.

Chairman, I stand

corrected. Their share is $190,000.

The breakdown — and I might as well give this to Members — was based on the percentage of the drawdown. For the departments that had the larger amounts of drawdown through the exercise over the year, we looked at that drawdown and applied it to the $15 million figure. For example, Executive Offices got $77,000; Human Resources, $800,000; Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations, $54,000; the Financial Management Board Secretariat, $225,000; the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, $133,000; Finance, $57,000; Municipal and Community Affairs, $168,000; Public Works and Services, $1.381 million; Health and

Social Services, $6.137 million; Justice, $1.362 million; Education, Culture and Employment, $2.464 million; Transportation, $1.61 million; ITI, $190,000; and Environment and Natural Resources, $342,000, for a total of $15 million.

As I stated earlier, those numbers don’t compare in a straight-across comparison because the drawdown in the supplementary appropriation over the last number of years has been significantly higher. We felt that on a percentage of drawdown, applying it in this way would allow departments to do the proper planning as we go forward.

As Members are aware, we’ve also set a 3 per cent growth rate, a 3.5 percent total growth rate of government expenditures over the next cycle of our business planning. We’re going to have to sit down and go through that business plan to see if we can in fact meet that target.

Bill 18 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2008–2009
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you for all of that information. It’s very good. As I said, I liked the plan you put in with respect to distributing that money amongst the departments so they could plan for it accordingly.

No real question, but just a bit more of a statement. In the case of this particular item, as an example, it is something, in my opinion, that should have been able to be planned for. We’re probably going to approve it today. I see no reason not to approve it at this point, giving the department some credit, given the fact that the budget just came down and this is a new process.

In the future, as Cabinet comes to us with some of these supps where they’re asking us to draw down on that $10 million, it may not pass as easily, because we want to be sure that those items that are coming to us in the supps are in fact for emergencies: things that could not be nor would ever have been foreseen or planned for. That’s what we understood the intention was. If items come to us that clearly could have been planned for, we’ll definitely have a lot of questions on those areas, but in this case, due to the timing, not so much. I mean, it is our job to hold the government to account, so the plan was for emergencies. This doesn’t strike me as an emergency. In the future you’ll have to demonstrate to us why this one is an emergency if you’re going to expect us to put down our emergency $10 million fund.

Bill 18 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2008–2009
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Chairman, the plan we put in place will require discipline, and this process is a part of that. We would again look forward to trying to make sure we stick to the rules of the new way of doing business. Every supplementary appropriation would come before the House, and departments would have to stand the scrutiny, of course. We would use the same level of measure

before even putting it into this document for Members to see.

It will require discipline. It's different from the traditional practice, and we're going to try hard to maintain that. It's going to be quite a jump from previous years' supplementary appropriation. From well over a $50 million drawdown — that's not the actual number; it was over that, but I would have to get that detail — to where we are now is a substantial change. We're going to have to work hard to live within that.

Bill 18 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2008–2009
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June 17th, 2008

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. On page 9 of the Supplementary Appropriation, No. 1, we're on Economic Diversification and Business Support, not previously authorized: $555,000.

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No.

1, 2008–2009, Industry, Tourism and

Investment, Economic Diversification and Business Support, not previously authorized: $555,000, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Total Department, not previously authorized: $622,000.

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1, 2008–2009, Industry, Tourism and

Investment, Total Department, not previously authorized: $622,000, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Environment and Natural Resources, Operations Expenditure, Corporate Management, not previously authorized: $305,000.

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No.

1, 2008–2009, Environment and Natural

Resources, Operations Expenditures, Corporate Management, not previously authorized: $305,000, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Total Department, not previously authorized: $305,000.

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1, 2008–2009, Environment and Natural

Resources, Total Department, not previously authorized: $305,000, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Moving on to page 11. Executive, Capital Investment Expenditures, Human Resources, not previously authorized, Employment Relations: $70,000.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Human Resources, Executive, Capital Investment Expenditures, Human Resources, Employment Relations, not previously authorized: $70,000, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Total Human Resources, not previously authorized: $70,000.

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1, 2008–2009, Human Resources, Total

Human Resources, not previously authorized: $70,000, approved.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

To page 12. Executive, Capital Investment Expenditure, Financial Management Board Secretariat, Directorate, not previously authorized: $4.77 million.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Executive, Capital Investment Expenditures, Financial Management Board Secretariat, Directorate, not previously authorized: $4.77 million, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Total Financial

Management Board Secretariat, not previously authorized: $4.77 million.

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No.

1, 2008–2009, Executive, Total Financial

Management Board Secretariat, not previously authorized: $4.77 million, approved.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Total Executive, not previously authorized: $4.84 million.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Executive, Total Executive, not previously authorized: $4.84 million, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Municipal and Community Affairs, Capital Investment Expenditure, Regional Operations, not previously authorized: $5.646 million.

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1, 2008–2009, Municipal and Community

Affairs, Capital Investment Expenditures, Regional Operations, not previously authorized: $5.646 million, approved.

Bill 18 Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2008–2009
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The Chair David Krutko

Total Department, not previously authorized: $5.646 million.

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1, 2008–2009, Municipal and Community

Affairs, Total Department, not previously authorized: $5.646 million, approved.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Moving on to page 14. Department of Public Works and Services, Capital Investment Expenditure, Asset Management, not previously authorized: $431,000.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Public Works and Services, Capital Investment Expenditures, Asset Management, not previously authorized: $431,000, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Technology Service

Centre, not previously authorized: $440,000.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Public Works and Services, Technology Service Centre, not previously authorized: $440,000, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Petroleum Products, not previously authorized: $1.293 million.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Public Works and Services, Petroleum Products, not previously authorized: $1.293 million, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Total Department, not previously authorized: $2.164 million.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Public Works and Services, Total Department, not previously authorized: $2.164 million, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Moving on to page 15. Health and Social Services, Capital Investment Expenditure, Program Delivery Support, not previously authorized: $2.38 million.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Health and Social Services, Capital Investment Expenditures, Program Delivery Support, not previously authorized: $2.38 million, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Health Services

Programs, not previously authorized: $11.696 million.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Health and Social Services, Health Services Programs, not previously authorized: $11.696 million, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Community Health

Programs, not previously authorized: $6.699 million.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Health and Social Services, Community Health Programs, not previously authorized: $6.699 million, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Total Department, not previously authorized: $20.775 million.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Health and Social Services, Total Department, not previously authorized: $20.775 million, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Moving to page 16. Justice, Capital Investment Expenditure, Courts, not previously authorized: $670,000.

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No.

1, 2008–2009, Justice, Capital Investment

Expenditures, Courts, not previously authorized: $670,000, approved.

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The Chair David Krutko

Community Justice and Corrections, not previously authorized: $582,000.

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No. 1, 2008–2009, Justice, Community Justice and Corrections, not previously authorized: $582,000, approved.