Mr. Chairman, at one time they had regional justice coordinators. That worked very well. Then the reduction brought it down to community justice. We were convinced at one time that by bringing the community justice programs to the community, it worked even better. What I witnessed and observed is that it hasn’t gotten any better. It actually has become more of a deterrent for the people because there are not enough sufficient resources or training for the community justice workers. I have been hearing this from my own people in my communities. They are quite frustrated with the community justice. It is a good program. I do agree with the Minister; it should work and it should be in the ideal world. Well, it is not happening in reality in our communities. Twenty thousand dollars for a program coordinator who organizes people throughout the year to sit down and look at issues in the legal system is very difficult for people. You want to document it. You have to do a bunch of things. If we give this money to the public justice and tell them to do that work, I don’t think they will be sitting there right now. Why is it no different in our communities in terms of giving proper support to the justice committees in our communities -- that I don’t understand -- while at the same time we have an issue with Arctic Tern and a $2 million budget annually?

We have, at the most, right now, as the Minister has indicated, four people with 14.5 staff there. That is almost four staff to one client with half a million dollars. I just don’t understand where this government is going or what it is saying. Yet we are in the communities asking for these basic services and here we are throwing money away. I really don’t understand and it is hard for me to say yes, I agree with you on efficiencies and effectiveness. At the same time, look at this in black and white. Twenty plus seven relief staff workers, history. Now

it has gone to 14.5 and numbers he said is zero to seven times. It is very hard for me to try to say, well, are you really there for the people? It is confusing. It is frustrating. I’m not sure what they are really saying. Some is okay. Some is not. That is what I am saying with community justice. I don’t get it. I don’t get it from this government. I don’t get what they are saying if you have these kinds of numbers that are black and white and they are just going on for 2009-10 they are hoping to review. It is just not very good when we try to go back to our communities, because this is the kind of information that is going to go back into our region. They are going to wonder why certain things are felt in the Chamber here.

There are lots of words in this sense, Mr. Chairman, so I am letting the Minister know that all of the things I have been asking for seem reasonable within a community in terms of basic services. This goes right against it. I will leave it like that.