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Question 373-16(3): Medical Travel Cancellations
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services, Ms. Lee.

Question 373-16(3): Medical Travel Cancellations
Oral Questions

Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think we should be clear about the distinction between medevac travel and medical travel. In this case, I understand the patient was scheduled to fly on medical travel on a regularly scheduled flight and the private airline company cancelled the flight due to lack of passengers on that given day. The airline contacted the patient in question and rescheduled the travel to the next available time. It is unfortunate that that had to happen, but once in a while airlines do cancel their flights or sometimes they are delayed. We made a commitment to contact the airlines to let them know that this does affect medical travel and hopefully it won’t happen again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 373-16(3): Medical Travel Cancellations
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Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Will the Minister commit to working with me with the various departments and agencies and the airlines to prevent future patients from having to wait for long periods of time in the communities and when they’re trying to return home after their medical, from seeing the doctor, because of flight cancellations due to the number of passengers? Thank you.

Question 373-16(3): Medical Travel Cancellations
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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I’d be happy to work with the Member in any way we can to improve our services to our residents in medical travel as well as medevac.

Question 373-16(3): Medical Travel Cancellations
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Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

This area has serious flaws, Mr. Speaker, and the Minister and the department should bring this up at contract time for the air services in the Beaufort-Delta and Nunakput. Thank you.

Question 373-16(3): Medical Travel Cancellations
Oral Questions

Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, I’d be happy to undertake to do that. Thank you.

Question 373-16(3): Medical Travel Cancellations
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Member for Great Slave, Mr. Abernethy.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
Oral Questions

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation. Possibly with the exception of employees of the Power Corporation, as outlined by my colleague Mrs. Groenewegen, many residents of the Northwest Territories are still curious about the content of the unsolicited ATCO proposal. Specifically, what are the details? The people really want to know. When will the Premier be sharing the details of the proposal with the people of the Northwest Territories, who are ultimately the owners of the Power Corporation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. The honourable Premier, Mr. Roland.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
Oral Questions

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker Mr. Speaker, the process we’re involved with looking at the ATCO proposal is one I’ve laid out with Members as well as with key stakeholders involved in this. The process we’re using is one that as the GNWT is the sole shareholder. Yes, GNWT works for the people of the Northwest Territories. As we would with any business case and any public corporation, as well, work with their key stakeholders to do an evaluation. We’re in that process. The proposal itself is one that just starts the process, and we will be moving forward on that basis. Once the initial work, as I’ve laid out previously in the Assembly, on the rates regulation review as well as the Power Corp specific review itself, we would have more information to share with Members of this Assembly. That would be the process we would be involved with at this time. Thank you.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

I’d like to thank the Premier for that. He kind of went into some aspects of the second question I want to ask, which is although there has been some information out there and there’s been a lot of press coverage on this topic, people are still confused about the review itself and the timelines that we’ll be moving forward with.

Could the Premier tell me when will a more comprehensive outline and a timeline of the review of the unsolicited ATCO proposal be made public? Thank you, Mr. Speaker

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Mr. Speaker, our process, again, is involved with working with Members as we would move forward on this and from time to time, involving key stakeholders in our decision-making. If we are going to move forward beyond looking at a proposal, then we would engage in a process to involve those that we feel need to be a part of that overall process. Right now things have been delayed. We don’t expect some of the discussions to really start in the sense of what it might be to expand looking at that proposal until probably fall time, late fall, late August, into September. Thank you.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

I’d like to thank the Premier for that and I look forward to working with the Premier and Cabinet as they move forward on this particular topic. In relation to that, I’m curious who will make the final decision to merge with ATCO or not merge with ATCO to run the Power Corporation and when does the Premier anticipate a decision will be made? Will it be made by Cabinet, the decision itself, or will it be done by the Legislature as a whole? If it is done by the Legislature as a whole, how will that be determined or how will that direction be set? Will it be by way of a vote in this Legislature? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Mr. Speaker, we are way, way ahead of the process with the question. In a sense, as we would look at this, once the work is done, I will provide it to Cabinet and then sit down with Members as to what’s being presented and we’ll decide as Members of this Assembly. That is Regular Members and Cabinet, will sit down and have the discussion as to what the potential next steps may be. At that point, we’ll decide how we would move forward on that initiative. I go back to quite a number of Assemblies ago when the initiative, for example, of previous governments was to privatize a number of its operations. There was a motion put forward and consideration to stop that type of review or work being done. So it wasn’t, in a sense, a decision, but a motion. Working with Members in this forum we’d have to look at what next steps we have available to us. But first and foremost, we need to have the work done. We will sit down with Members and decide what makes sense and best business case for the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and once again, thanks to the Premier to that. I know it’s a long way off, but once a tentative decision is made, regardless of what that decision is, whether we merge or we don’t merge, will there be public

meetings to discuss the GNWT’s position and obtain input and recommendations from all the owners of the Power Corporation, all the people of the Northwest Territories, prior to any irreversible decision being made? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Mr. Roland.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First and foremost, I look to the authority of this House. The Members here represent the people of the Northwest Territories from quite a diverse range of communities and businesses and individuals. So our work would start here. We would decide how far we’d go and I’d also caution Members that we need to be careful in how we approach this. If we’re going to do every business case that we’re involved with by going out to the public, decisions won’t be made for quite some time. People of the Northwest Territories have made it quite clear they’re looking for some direction and some change in the way we do business, when it comes to generating power and distributing that power, in the hopes that we would stabilize or lower costs for people in the Territories, and that’s our goal at the end of this process. Thank you.

Question 374-16(3): Update On Atco Proposal
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Member from Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Question 375-16(3): Public Housing Evictions
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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today in my Member’s statement I talked about some of the complexities of eviction notices where public housing tenants are evicted and I proposed sort of some of the problems in a sense of also presenting a solution whereas if we had someone working with them in an intervention program, we may be able to avoid some of these evictions that end up on the shoulders of some of our NGO organizations.

But, Mr. Speaker, incidentally, as I pointed out, the Department of Health, Department of Housing and certainly the Department of Education...Oddly enough I saw exactly where the problem is. The three Ministers were pointing at each other to perhaps maybe get me to ask the other Minister the question. I think ultimately that’s the problem, Mr. Speaker, but I’ll focus in on the housing Minister because I know he certainly is willing and interested on these types of questions.

So, Mr. Speaker, my question directly to the Minister of Housing on this eviction problem is: What intervention process does the department do in advance of issuing a court order or I should say in advance of seeking a court order for eviction? So what intervention process does that Department

of Housing do to help avoid putting a family on the street? Thank you.

Question 375-16(3): Public Housing Evictions
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Michael McLeod.

Question 375-16(3): Public Housing Evictions
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there’s a number of ways we can work with the tenants in our public housing facilities, and we certainly work hard towards making sure everybody is aware of the programs and making sure that they have skills to analyze their fiscal situation. We have courses that they can take; they’re short-term courses, at their convenience, and many of our tenants have been taking us up on it. Many of our homeowner applicants are also utilizing this course so they can upgrade their life skills.

The eviction process is a very lengthy one. It can take upwards anywhere from a couple of months, if it was a fixed term lease, to up to a year and a half if there was a tenant that is on the eviction list and they are in our houses indeterminate. It usually requires three levels from the local housing association or authority to the individual, and in all instances the individual is requested and asked to come in and speak to the LHO. It also involves up to three occasions where the rental officer would contact the individual or the family to meet with them and also to go through the process. Failing all these attempts to rectify the situation, then the NWT rental officer will issue a court order to evict. So it’s a very lengthy process with many steps through the system that could allow the individual or the family to change the situations that they’re in. Thank you.

Question 375-16(3): Public Housing Evictions
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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Well, Mr. Speaker, let me paint a picture. You’re an at-risk family, you’re paying $32 a month, you miss one of the month’s rents and all of a sudden your rent now jumps from $32 to market rent and you start getting letters in the mail and you’re afraid of these letters and all of a sudden the letters keep coming and all of a sudden you’re now getting a knock on the door and you’re being told that you have 30 days to move out.

Mr. Speaker, our tenant officers do not have training in any sort of a social work aspect. So, Mr. Speaker, noting that, these staff are data entry folks, not social workers. So they have a process: pay or get out. So, Mr. Speaker, I’m asking for a little empathy built into this program so we can avoid people being kicked out. So would the Minister look at creating an intervention program where we can either work with our NGOs or have more of a social work component built into these housing officer positions that we can get people on the rails, on track paying their rent, rather than putting them on the street? Would he look at creating that process? Thank you.

Question 375-16(3): Public Housing Evictions
Oral Questions

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

We already have that process in place. Our tenant relations officers may not be social workers, but they certainly are trained and encouraged to work with our tenants to provide the financial information, to ensure that our tenants are aware of the risks that are involved by not paying their rent and, Mr. Speaker, I want to assure the Member that we don’t evict somebody for $32 a month non-payment. It’s usually a lot higher than that and we do allow for people to come in and start a repayment plan. That’s available to all our tenants. Many of our tenants that have somehow come in arrears and are struggling to make their payments, we have a recovery plan, we have a system where it will take some work to put it together and they pay their rent and then they pay a little bit towards their arrears. So I think it’s very generous and it’s available for all our tenants. Thank you.

Question 375-16(3): Public Housing Evictions
Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, for the record, it was when you miss your $32 payment it then springs into market rent so then you have to pay the full rent, just for clarification. But, Mr. Speaker, the Minister’s briefing note doesn’t talk about real life. The Minister’s briefing note talks about sort of pie in the sky about, well, don’t worry about it, we’ll take care of it and we’ll get them on track. Well, I’ll tell you, it was just a couple of weeks ago I had a family that was catching up to their arrears and yet they got this Supreme Court notice to get out. Lo and behold, MLAs like myself and other MLAs get this phone call at two o’clock or later on a Friday and it’s the last day of the month and we can’t change it.

So, Mr. Speaker, the policy problem starts with the Minister and it goes down through the department. Would the Minister either using staff or create a philosophy or create a policy, for goodness sake, that says as soon as someone misses a payment, we’ll create an intervention program so whether it takes two months or 16 months, that we get people back on the tracks to pay their rent, rather than evict them? Thank you.