Mr. Chairman, I do get the point of gradually closing the facility over time. I guess the point is that for the amount of people that are in that facility, with the amount of staff that we have, it's a very highly expensive operation to run. As other community programs in our communities are suffering because of the lack of funding, that we still maintain this. What I'm hearing from the Minister is that because of the staffing and the jobs and that, it makes it very difficult for them to make a decision. The sound of what I'm hearing is based on because of the amount of PYs that are working there, that's going to have an impact on the community for the amount of people in there who are being ordered to stay there.

I can't get around how we rationalize and how we are coming to a decision that we keep this open, as other programs and services in our regions certainly need it and we always seem to run up to the fact that we don't have much money here and there. I think there's a point where we've got to say we have to do something. How much longer can we maintain this facility?

I think it's about $1,600 to $1,700 a day per client there. I'm not too sure what clients are there today and how many staff members we have there looking after these clients here. That's my bone of contention here in terms of there's got to be a time when you've got to say this is it here and make that difficult decision as we're all faced to do over time.