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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

I will ask the Minister responsible for the bill, the honourable Minister R.C. McLeod, the Minister of MACA, to introduce the bill. Some of the witnesses will need to be escorted out, so I will get the Sergeant-at-Arms to do that before we continue.

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. We will get you to introduce your witnesses in a second once we have gone through the rest of the procedures. Can I get you to do your introductions on Bill 19?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am here to present Bill 19, Municipal Statutes Amendment Act.

Bill 19 proposes amendments to three of the municipal statues, the Cities, Towns and Villages Act, the Hamlets Act and the Charter Communities Act. The proposed amendments result from issues raised over the past several years by municipal governments. Additional minor amendments of a miscellaneous nature are included as requested by the Department of Justice.

The other municipal statue, the Tlicho Community Government Act, is not addressed in this bill. The Tlicho Government must consent in a separate process to the proposed amendments before they can be made. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is consulting with the Tlicho Government on the issues in Bill 19 and on other matters the Tlicho Government wish to have addressed.

I look forward to hearing comments from the Members and answering any questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Minister McLeod. On that, we will go to the chairperson of the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure, which reviewed the bill, to make their comments. Mr. Ramsay.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure met on February 16, 2011, to review Bill 19, Municipal Statutes Amendment Act. Following a clause-by-clause review, a motion was carried to report Bill 19 to the Assembly as ready for Committee of the Whole.

This concludes the committee’s general comments on Bill 19. Individual Members may have additional questions or comments as we proceed. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Does committee agree that we allow the Minister to have his witnesses remain in Chamber?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Minister McLeod, can I please get you to introduce your witnesses for the record?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have with me to my left Mr. Michael Aumond, deputy minister of MACA. To my right is David Kravitz, manager, community governance at MACA; and Lana Birch-Rideout, legislative counsel, Department of Justice. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Minister McLeod. I will now open the floor to general comments on Bill 19. Mr. Krutko.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As we all know, we basically established the legislation to empower the communities, but again, I think by bringing forward these statute amendments, I am wondering if there is any fiscal obligations that we may have or that there could be fiscal pressures put on the municipalities or local governments to administer these statutes by way of the amendments. If so, is this government going to be financially providing assistance to those communities that may have to take on more work in the light of the challenges they have?

I know a lot of the communities, especially in the rural, remote communities do have some challenges in regards to recruitment, retention, and more importantly, trying to just fulfill their legislative obligations regarding fiscally or through bylaws or municipal statues. So I’d just like to know has there been any discussions with the remote communities on the affect. I know you say you met with the municipalities, but I’d like to know if there are any restraints that may affect communities, but more importantly, are there any financial restraints that may cause the communities to have to do either more with less, or is the government willing to provide financial assistance if they have to take on a heavier workload. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Aumond.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Our view is that these amendments will not impose any incremental costs onto community governments or any incremental burden administratively. Most of these amendments are as a result of issues brought forward to MACA from community governments and we did work with the Northwest Territories Association of Communities in drafting

up these amendments so we could address the issues raised by the communities. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chair, I’m talking about the smaller communities that are struggling. They basically have small populations, they’re receiving less revenues from the Government of the Northwest Territories because of the way the gas tax dollars have been allocated and we are seeing some challenges by way of human resource challenges by simply administering and offering those requirements that we put on them through this type of legislation.

I think at the end of the day we have to be cognizant that all communities are not the same. It might be great for large municipalities where you have a large workforce, but when communities don’t have a financial officer or an SAO or are just barely keeping their heads above water financially and also operationally, we have to realize that there may be times when we may have to provide financial assistance for them to take on more of a workload in light of minor amendments. They might be minor to a large municipality, but it probably could be major to a small rural community. So I just want the department and the Minister to be conscious of that whenever we put this type of legislation forward, that we realize there is going to be some financial requirements to live up to the obligations that we put forward on communities. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Minister McLeod.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

March 1st, 2011

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We’re always conscious of the possible effects this could have on communities and we go to great lengths to consult with the NWT Association of Communities and get their feedback on some of the proposed amendments. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I’d just like to know, did you consult with any of the smaller communities such as Tsiigehtchic or Colville Lake or communities of that nature in regard to having small populations and requiring them to put in more responsibilities on them in regard to having to take on these types of amendments, because its miscellaneous for me. That basically means that somebody has to do the paperwork and follow the requirements that we put forward through these type of amendments. So have you consulted with small rural communities under, say, a population of 200?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

The NWTAC was our conduit to the smaller communities and we consult with them and they, in turn, consulted with their member communities on some of the proposed amendments. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Minister McLeod. General comments on Bill 19. Is

committee agreed that there are no further comments on Bill 19?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Can we proceed with the clause-by-clause review of Bill 19? Agreed?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Agreed. Okay we’ll defer the title and the bill number and before we go into the clause-by-clause we need to go to Schedule A. Starting on page 2. Any questions?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Okay, let’s turn to Schedule B, which starts on page 5. Any questions?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.