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Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. The honourable Premier, Mr. Roland.

Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The indemnification that occurred is a normal part of business and part of that is the requirement to notify Members 14 days in advance, I think is the crux of the matter here, but that is a normal part of the process. There wasn’t an extra decision to not provide that. So it was just a part of normal process and through our many briefings to committee, Members were aware that this indemnification occurred. Thank you.

Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the Premier. I am not suggesting that this was not a standard indemnity. I think I mentioned that in my preamble. My concern is that there was obviously in the regulations an indication that notice was required and by changing the regulations and waiving the advanced notice that’s fine, but communication has been a problem in the four years or three and a half years since I’ve been here and I would have thought the Premier would have considered that communication of such a change to Members was a good thing.

I’d like to know, again, from the Premier, when the Financial Administration Act was changed in 1998, there was apparently, according to Hansard, quite a discussion about the need to provide this 14-day advance notice. So I’d like to know from the Premier, knowing that the notice was in there, knowing that this advance notice was important to Members, why did he not consider that we ought to be advised. Thank you.

Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Thank you. Again, there is no requirement through indemnities for providing Members that. The Members are getting hooked up on... I believe there’s a requirement over the $500,000 figure, 14 days’ notice that’s honoured. In the requirement for indemnities, that process has been followed. There wasn’t a change in regulation to make it, so that process was excluded. Thank you.

Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you. I don’t believe I have yet today indicated that I think anything was circumvented. I’m trying to get from the Premier what the rationale was to not advise us. Yes, I understand that the notice period was waived, but

was there not some consideration that maybe we might want to know about that? The Premier advised last week that the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure was advised of these changes, and I believe I asked last week if I could see copies of the presentations that have been made to committee. I didn’t hear an answer. I’d like to ask him again if he would commit to get me that documentation from February or March -- I’m not sure -- of 2008. Thank you.

Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Thank you. As I believe I said, but I will confirm, that in fact when we responded to the standing committee it was a request to Executive to do an overview of this process on the Deh Cho Bridge Project and that was provided to committee and we’ll send it again. In there it referenced the fact that the Financial Administration Act was under review to look at these types of issues as future governments would look towards these types of projects or indemnifications.

Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro.

Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Premier for that commitment. I will look forward to receiving that document. I’d like to ask the Premier, he’s referenced that the Financial Administration Act has been under review. I know that I think there’s consideration for changes to the act coming up. I’d like to know from the Premier, considering that this is an issue for Members at least on this side of the House in terms of notification, is this an issue that the Premier would consider might be something that should be discussed between Regular Members and Cabinet in terms of a Caucus protocol to deal with this kind of communication?

Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Again, in our many communications -- and we have quite a number of letters that have gone back to committee -- this has been raised. This has been committed to look at through the Financial Administration Act. I think that question is mute. We have in fact been looking towards dealing with this subject matter.

Question 27-16(6): Auditor General Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement and reading the Negotiated Contracts Policy I again found some startling numbers to indicate the type of negotiated contracts that are happening in other regions versus my region of the Sahtu. I want to ask the Premier on some of the explanation as to why some of the contracts seem more favourable in some of the other regions versus the region that I represent.

What are some of the things that take into... I know it’s very complex and that sometimes there are different scenarios for each case, so I want to ask the Premier in terms of the bigger contracts that I’ve indicated in my Member’s statement that were awarded through this process here.

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The honourable Premier, Mr. Roland.

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
Oral Questions

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Negotiated Contracts Policy is one that we do use throughout the Northwest Territories, as the Member highlighted. We have a number of other tools that we use, as well, and it was referenced in this House about the memorandums of understanding with a number of the Aboriginal groups around contracting, and negotiated contracts falls in that to help meet some of those targets. Some of the work that we need to do in those areas and in reference to the Sahtu is to get a better understanding of the businesses that would qualify.

I must say that, for example in the Department of Public Works and Services, just in the Sahtu in 2010-2011 to date, 84 percent of those contracts, the value of those contracts, have gone to Sahtu-based contractors.

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Certainly I agree with the principles of the Negotiated Contracts Policy. Actually it’s a pretty good piece of work. I want to ask, to help out more in the Sahtu in terms of having this government do a workshop with the regional superintendents -- they’re the ones that sort of implement the policy, they’re the ones that take care of the policies -- to look at the policy of negotiated contracts with themselves and see how they can help the Sahtu businesses. I certainly think DPW has done a good job in terms of awarding the 84 percent of the contracts to the Sahtu businesses. This is awarded, I’m talking about specifically negotiated contracts.

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
Oral Questions

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

I guess the overall target of the Government of the Northwest Territories, as raised in this House a number of times, is to try to build capacity in the industry in the Northwest Territories amongst our businesspeople, whether Aboriginal or non-Aboriginal, birthright corporations and so on. We’ve done that and we use a number of tools. Negotiated contracts is one of those.

Some of the difficulty we have is when in the same community or region there is, in a sense, a competition. When you have two Aboriginal companies requesting negotiated contracts it becomes problematic. We use the tools available to us and tendering in the region is one of those that can be used. In a sense, when you just look at the overall percentage that we’ve achieved, at 84 percent shows that many of the companies in the Sahtu are quite able to compete and be successful in that environment. The Negotiated Contracts

Policy itself, my understanding is through the regional office there has been workshops held in the past on that and we’ll look to see when it was last done and if that could be seen again.

Part of the other issue is I know Minister Bob McLeod through his shop and on the MOU has been working with the Sahtu Secretariat Incorporated to look at finalizing the work around the MOU as one of the tools as well.

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

I certainly agree with the Negotiated Contracts Policy and principles. I believe that the regional superintendents through the ITI shop, hopefully they will again have another follow-up workshop to look at the negotiated contracts.

I want to ask the Minister in terms of two examples here: a negotiated contract that was awarded here in Yellowknife and one that was awarded in the Beaufort-Delta. Certainly we have competitive businesses that were available in the region or in the city here. How did that process happen? Now he’s telling me the same thing in the Sahtu. What’s the answer as to how do we deal with this kind of stuff that the Minister is talking about? Can he justify these two contracts?

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
Oral Questions

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

The issue of negotiated contracts is one that does come up right across the Northwest Territories. The challenge we have is when there are competing interests and when there is capacity to be able to bid the work. My understanding is there’s some work coming up, there’s opportunity and there’s some work in progress on a couple of potential negotiated contracts during the life of this government, if not already been dealt with. For example, the demolition of one of the schools is one of those areas, so some success in that area. But we will look at the Negotiated Contracts Policy, its application in the Sahtu area. Again, the difficulty becomes where you have more than one Aboriginal company trying to bid on the work. One of the other areas that we use is when we know that the end result, a public tender, for example, will not achieve a better result is another area that is looked at from time to time. We look at all of those areas in making a decision of Cabinet.

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know the negotiated contracts, like I said, benefit the local people. It builds capacity and helps the local economy. I’m all for that. I want to ask the Minister, when the negotiated contracts are in place, the work has been done, the work has been carried out, does the Minister receive a reporting list of all the benefits that this contract has provided to the local community and the region?

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
Oral Questions

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

The departments that request a negotiated contract and those contracts that are agreed to, there is a reporting process by the departments back to Cabinet. So there is a report that’s required.

Question 28-16(6): Negotiated Contracts In The Sahtu
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Bromley.

Question 29-16(6): Family Violence Prevention Program
Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have questions for the Minister of Justice in the area of family violence prevention and intervention programs. The Minister made a statement on Friday on the Victim Notification Program. Feedback from interest groups indicates the program could be “fantastic,” was the word they used, but they say no one knows about it. The Minister’s statement said only three applications had been received since May 2010, its launch. That’s pretty modest. The Minister’s statement said information is on the Justice website and that individuals interested in the program can ask for information. The problem is you have to know about it to ask or be a regular visitor to the Justice website; again, pretty unlikely. To start, can the Minister tell us what efforts have been made to market the program?

Question 29-16(6): Family Violence Prevention Program
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. The honourable Minister responsible for Justice, Mr. Lafferty.

Question 29-16(6): Family Violence Prevention Program
Oral Questions

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Within our Justice department we’ve developed some communication tools so that we can reach out to the communities. We’ve also, of course, highlighted here in the Legislative Assembly and want to broadcast throughout the Northwest Territories as well. People are aware that this Victim Notification Program is out there. As the Member indicated and I stated in the House, there have been three applicants to date. I’m sure we’ll see more once we roll out the program as well as the communication plan.

Question 29-16(6): Family Violence Prevention Program
Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I think the Minister knows that the committee is highly supportive of this program but we sort of assume the basics are being covered. The one obvious target for information on this program is the Coalition Against Family Violence. That’s the starting point. I’m told the coalition was not informed of the existence of this program. That would be a key part of their strategy development. I’m asking this Minister how this could occur. Is there not a mechanism in place to ensure that your obvious partners are part of it?