Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. Ramsay.
Debates of June 4th, 2012
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Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay Kam Lake
Yes, it is, Mr. Chairman. In July 2011 the Minister of ITI appointed several Members to that committee.
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Norman Yakeleya Sahtu
Certainly, you have my support, Mr. Minister and staff, to see how this tourism is supported and funded by our government to promote. I understand the Olympics certainly gave a boost to the Northwest Territories with our venue there. Hopefully, it would spring from there to do other initiatives that are unique, especially to the culture of the people of the Northwest Territories. I believe that this tourism, this specific Aboriginal Tourism Initiative Strategy, is heading in that direction.
Certainly, I do know that our regions are sometimes supported by all-weather roads and some are not by this transportation system. We have different challenges. How is the Minister going to work with the ones that are mostly fly-in and weather sometimes plays a part of things that can happen in some of our communities? Sometimes planes don’t fly all the time when the weather’s bad. A lot of our communities are fly-in like Deline and Colville Lake and Fort Good Hope, even Tulita. For the communities up the coast. I’ll wait for a briefing with the Minister for more detail. This is something that the Minister and his staff have been aware of.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay Kam Lake
The Aboriginal Tourism Champions Advisory Council is an important step for us. We will be looking to review the suggestions from the Aboriginal Tourism Forum. It’s going to go through the advisory council and then we will be able to plan and develop and implement an Aboriginal tourism strategy here in the NWT. So it’s exciting for us to be moving forward with this, and what we’re hearing out there is that travellers want a real experiential type of trip. They want to be immersed in culture and they want to learn something when they’re here. We’ve got lots of
culture. We’ve got lots of history. Unique communities. I believe it was Mr. Nadli who said earlier that there are lots of opportunities here and I think he was right on the money when he said that. As we work toward the development of this Aboriginal tourism strategy, I think it will pay huge dividends for many of our communities here in the NWT.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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Norman Yakeleya Sahtu
One of the things I look at, especially when we have potential such as many parks and I want to talk about my favourite one is the proposed Doi T’oh Territorial Park on the Canol Heritage Trail. One of the things we looked at was skill development with our leaders. I know it’s taken some time. I hope the Minister has some initiatives that will look at skills development with our young people. Maybe junior park rangers or junior guides in the park that will give some training to some of the younger people. I’m hoping that, I know our park is not quite turned over to the territorial jurisdiction. Hopefully, in the future, once that is done, there is some progression and plans to put together plans on a junior parks training program in the North for some of our young people that are entering into post-secondary school, coming in out of high school or in Grade 11 or Grade 12. Something that will show good potential that they will be good people, good ambassadors for our park.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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David Ramsay Kam Lake
The Member is correct; we have to look at opportunities for people to get involved in the tourism industry here in the Northwest Territories, especially in small communities, opportunities for young people to get involved, whether it’s as guides or servers or working the front desk at a hotel. It’s all in the hospitality industry and helps the tourism industry here in the Northwest Territories. Any opportunity to get some training for young people is something we should always be looking toward.
On the development of Doi T’oh Territorial Park, we are seeing some work continuing on remediation of the Canol Heritage Trail and that has been initiated by the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development through its contaminants and remediation division. This is a multimillion dollar process involving assessment and remediation of waste sites along the trail, and ITI has provided AANDC with potential locations within the proposed parklands along the trail for sites of potential human use such as campgrounds, emergency shelters and river crossings. It is a work in progress, but we continue to move forward on the development of that park.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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Norman Yakeleya Sahtu
Just closing on this Canol and this…(inaudible)…proposed territorial park, his department has been very good with me and good with the people also, in terms of moving this along. It’s just a slow, slow process and sometimes very
frustrating because a lot of government hands are in it and take the assessment. Even the previous ITI Minister, I have been at him in getting this project on the go. It’s a beautiful area and I know it’s something that I’d like to see in the jurisdiction of the Northwest Territories, but you don’t want to take a beautiful park that has a lot of liabilities without having the federal government or even the U.S. Army saying, well, we’re responsible for cleaning up this area here. I know that’s going to put us in a lot of debt here. I understand that. Just talking about the Canol Park, my feet are sore from how many years I’ve been walking on that trail. My feet get really sore now.
But I want to say to the government that they’ve been very good in this area here. There is some infrastructure that I know the Minister has talked about, and his staff have been talking about wayside parks in the community and in the Sahtu. For infrastructure and programming and that and training and planning, we would like to see some of the initiatives. Actually, your superintendent actually talked to me about this, which I thought was good. He said, well, let’s put a park in some of the communities. That is something I’ve been waiting for a long time for your superintendent to say that to me. Let’s start doing it. It’s showing me the initiative that you’re getting the message out. I look forward to seeing where your staff could start putting some initiatives like this to the community and saying we want to put a park in there, tell us what kind. Let’s just start on a small scale. I don’t know if that’s something that’s correct that I should be saying here, but it’s something that I’d like to see in here and I hope that it’s in your budget planning for infrastructure and small capital planning, or how you go about it, because I know capital planning comes in the fall time. I just want to say that to the Minister. He’s got some pretty good staff in the Sahtu and they’ve been doing some work on the Canol and doing some wayside park planning…(inaudible)…stages, so I’m going to leave it at that. Thank you.
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David Ramsay Kam Lake
I really do appreciate the Member’s support for the development of that territorial park and his strong advocacy for the establishment, it isn’t lost on us. In fact, it’s probably the reason why it continues to move forward. Again, I wanted to thank him for his support and his advocacy for that park. I know the beauty firsthand. I had the opportunity to travel into that area with the Member, and it is a beautiful area. At some point in time we will have a territorial park there, I’m sure.
I think that was about it. Thank you.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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The Chair Daryl Dolynny
Thank you, Minister Ramsay. Page 12-27, activity summary, tourism and parks, operations expenditure summary, $11.172 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Daryl Dolynny
Page 12-28, activity summary, tourism and parks, grants and contributions, contributions, total contributions, $3.847 million. Mr. Bromley.
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Bob Bromley Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just wondering why we reduced the support for sport hunter outfitter marketing from $600,000 to $300,000 this year. Clearly, the need is ongoing and I imagine things are getting more stressed as time goes by. Thank you.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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David Ramsay Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It was at $600,000. It was set to lapse and we did our best to come up with $300,000. It was set to go away entirely. It’s a number, even at $300,000 we’re not sure how much longer we can continue to put that funding on the table, and that was our best effort on getting money into that.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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Bob Bromley Weledeh
I did express my appreciation and support for that amount earlier in my general remarks. However, would the Minister agree that we were less than candid in our interactions with the outfitters, given the caribou situation, and they ended up getting out on a limb because of that poor communication?
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David Ramsay Kam Lake
We’ve always been upfront with the funding, but I’m not sure if the Member was referencing something else previous to my tenure as Minister of ITI.
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Bob Bromley Weledeh
Yes, I was referring to during the 16
th Assembly when the caribou did crash and we
were, as a government, less than candid leaving the outfitters with commitments that they obviously couldn’t fulfill given the situation. We knew it. They didn’t.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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David Ramsay Kam Lake
I shouldn’t comment on that because it was in the last government, but I think what we have to do is look forward. We have to take the positives out of this. We have identified $300,000 for that Sport Hunt Marketing Initiative. We need to work collectively. There’s going to be another count of caribou, and if the stars align correctly, maybe there will be some tags at some point in time. I think we just need to continue to move toward that and work with ENR and hopefully that can happen. Thank you.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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Bob Bromley Weledeh
I agree with the Minister. I think that’s the right attitude and I do appreciate that the department did retain some support for the outfitters. My hope is, as the Minister says, if the tags don’t materialize next year, then this support is there again to help tide them over so they can take advantage when the tags do return, and we’re all hoping that’s very soon. Thank you.
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The Chair Daryl Dolynny
Thank you, Mr. Bromley. More of a comment to a good question. Page 12-28, activity summary, tourism and parks, grants and contributions, contributions, $3.847 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Daryl Dolynny
Page 12-29, information item, tourism and parks, active positions. Any questions? Page 12-31, activity summary, economic diversification and business support, operations expenditure summary, $22.222 million. Mr. Bromley.
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Bob Bromley Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to first ask about the NWT Business Development and Investment Corporation. I think there have been discussions about the need for some consolidation of services and some more efficiency within that agency. I’m wondering if the Minister can tell me what’s happening on that front. Thank you.
Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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Committee Motion 4-17(3): Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti, Carried
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David Ramsay Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Member is correct; there is a program review being conducted by the program review office of the GNWT at the BDIC. I sat through almost two days of strategic planning with the BDIC, back a couple of months ago, and they are interested in seeing things move forward so that the suite of business services and programs to residents and businesses here in the NWT is streamlined. Thank you.