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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Guy. Ms. Bisaro, if you want to rephrase your question, I’ll allow it again. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. It wasn’t so much that we wouldn’t do it, but I’m sure there are times when, for whatever reason, we don’t necessarily do an inspection. Then I’m not calling anybody’s credibility into ill repute here, but my concern was that if we miss doing an inspection, what are we on the hook for as a government?

Secondly to that, the line here states these tasks protect the public by ensuring all installations are constructed dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. So in reference to all installations, are we talking just

GNWT installations or are we talking private installations?

I go back to my example of somebody in Colville Lake who is doing an upgrade or doing an addition to their house and it’s not owned by the government, it’s owned by me as an individual. So to those two things. What are we on the hook for if we don’t do an inspection and do these inspection services apply to every piece of construction in the NWT? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Guy

I guess the role of inspection services to provide the services related to boiler, electrical, elevators, mechanical, gas to both GNWT projects, but also to the public, it’s a service that we provide to the public through the inspections branch.

In terms of the inspections they do, they are related to the portions of the building that are covered under the act, and mechanical system, boiler, the electrical system, if there’s an elevating device in that system and any gas or pressure vessels that might be in the facility as well. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

I think that covers it. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Moving on our list we’ll be going to the Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, it’s okay.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Moving on, the Member for YK Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On this particular page we have $51,000 under the TSC chargeback. I’m just trying to get a sense of, first of all, why does Public Works provide a TSC chargeback to itself and where does that revenue that accumulates from all of the TSC chargebacks actually show up?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Abernethy.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I actually think the TSC chargebacks appear on 7-13 in the correct line as opposed to HR where it was in the wrong line under TSC chargebacks under $951,000. The $951,000 on this page is for computer hardware and software. The reason that TSC chargebacks would fall on this department is because this department is still utilizing the services of the TSC to manage and administer computer services. So like every other department, we have to pay our share of the TSC services.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Now, that begs the question: Where does all the TSC chargeback go? If the TSC lies within the Department of Public Works, that money must go somewhere and where does it show up in our books? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Later on when we get to page 7-26, there’s a complete, comprehensive list of projections and previous year estimates and actuals from ‘10-11 on all the dollars that came in from all of the departments, boards and agencies and the government services into the TSC. That money goes into the TSC to evergreen, to cover the cost of providing the services and all of those types of things. I might be missing something so I’ll go to Ms. Gault to see if there’s anything to add.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, committee. It’s been identified that the answer to this question will lie later in this document. So it’s my judgment that we’ll respond to that at that moment in time. So I’ll turn it back over to Mr. Hawkins.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and actually it’s not so much the answer on page 7-26 that I was after. It’s about where does it show up basically in the revenue stream and noting that the TSC chargeback falls through on many pages, it does note the consolidated amount, but it doesn’t show up under Public Works revenue and it doesn’t show up under Finance revenue that falls into the general revenue. So I was just curious where the stream actually ends up. So we have great coordination and a wonderful spreadsheet on page 7-26, although we’re not there yet, of course, I recognize that, but that’s irrelevant. It’s a matter of where does the money show up even though that line shows up on all of these particular pages. Ultimately that’s the question, which is where do we find where that revenue goes back into the system? What page is that? Whether it’s in this department or any other department, there’s got to be a corresponding line item somewhere within this budget.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

We’ll take it under advisement and I’ll ask the Member to reiterate that question when we get to 7-26. Mr. Hawkins, continue.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Tough. Okay, that’s fine. I guess seeing how it was brought up, the National Building Code, by a previous Member, although he does represent – and I appreciate that – certain idealism that probably isn’t shared by very many people here, I will ask the department have they adopted the National Building Code and if not, why not. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Abernethy.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The GNWT has accepted and utilizes the National Building Code.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. That wouldn’t be the whole National Building Code would it?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

I’m not sure I understand what the Member means by that.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Mr. Hawkins, can you clarify your question, please?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Has the GNWT fully adopted the complete National Building Code? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. We’ll turn it over to Mr. Guy for a response.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Guy

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The responsibility for the adoption of the Building Code resides within the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs in the office of the fire marshal. In terms of buildings constructed by the Government of the Northwest Territories and in particular the Department of Public Works and Services, all buildings we build are built in accordance of the requirements of the National Building Code. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Is it a fair assumption to say that certain particular parts of the National Building Code have been adopted by Public Works and maybe with the knowledge of the deputy minister, certain sections of the National Building Code have been adopted by Municipal and Community Affairs, but not the whole National Building Code?