It’s my understanding that the regulations in the office of the fire marshal require that all buildings over 600 square metres be designed and constructed in accordance with the Building Code by an architect registered in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Debates of May 28th, 2012
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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Paul Guy
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
I thank the DM for that detail. During some of the assertions about building above and beyond the National Building Code, I heard the phrase that we had met or beaten those objections by the Minister repeatedly. Would he be willing to share some of those examples here today?
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Paul Guy
One example that comes to mind is the Inuvik school project. I believe it exceeds the National Energy Code. It’s in the area of 40 to 44 percent. That is my recollection. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
I guess the next question is: Has Public Works investigated the process and certainly the cost required to meet or exceed that objective of 25 percent? Then, in consideration, they must extrapolate in the 40 percent that there will be significantly more costs. Has Public Works taken this into consideration in meeting and beating the National Building Code by 25 percent? Have any qualified opinions as to how stressful on our financial pocket it will be if we try to exceed it to 40 percent? Thank you.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Paul Guy
I don’t believe we’ve taken a look at what the costs would be to change our standard from 25 percent to the 40 percent. But in the case of any specific building we are designing, we do an energy analysis or an energy workshop as part of
the design process to see what the cost benefits would be of each of the various elements that we would incorporate into the design and construction that building would contribute to its overall energy performance. So that’s taken into consideration and that’s how we ended up to where we got to with the example I said in the case of the Inuvik school. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
I recognize that the more you exceed it in certain cases, you also decrease the operational cost. Is that type of analysis taken into effect on these energy observations? Would the deputy minister agree that it costs more to build a building the further we increase that percentage?
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Paul Guy
There’s no doubt that when you put more insulation on the building, more elements in the building than required by perhaps a code or a standard, then you’re going to have increased costs. What we’re looking at is optimizing and achieving the littlest lifecycle cost over the life of the facility and that’s part of the analysis that’s taken place when we do those energy workshops or analysis on a building that’s being designed or proposed.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
From the experience and expertise the deputy minister carries, is it likely that we could end up pricing ourselves out of the market of affordability if we continue to strive to 40 percent of the Building Code? Thank you.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Not necessarily. We do a cost analysis on a case-by-case basis to see what the addition of these improvements will be. If the cost exceeds the benefit or the cost benefit of doing it, then we wouldn’t necessarily go up to that standard. We don’t build to 40 percent. We build to achieving the 25 percent, but we have been working to go beyond that and we have gotten higher. As an example, the school in Inuvik. But we had to do the cost analysis on it to show that the benefit over time would pay for those improvements, and that’s what it showed and that’s what we did.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair Daryl Dolynny
Thank you, Minister Abernethy. One final supplementary question, Mr. Hawkins.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the last part. I see that the Minister has become a maven at construction. I would ask that any research or discussion paper on building standards be considered by all Members, not to take one Member’s enthusiasm behind this. I just want it confirmed that it would come to committee long before anything like this is considered.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy Great Slave
When I was responding to Mr. Bromley, I would say that we would take it to committee. It would have to be
considered by everybody, reviewed by everybody. Thank you.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I move that we report progress.
---Carried
I will now rise and report progress. I would like to ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to escort the witnesses out of the House. Thank you.
Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Your committee has been considering Tabled Document 3-17(3), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2012-2013, and would like to report progress. I move that the report of Committee of the Whole be concurred with.
Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Is there a seconder to the motion? Mr. Bromley.
---Carried
Item 23, third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk, orders of the day.
Orders of the Day
Orders of the Day
Tim Mercer Clerk Of The House
Mr. Speaker, there will be a meeting of the Standing Committee on Priorities and Planning at the adjournment of the House today.
Orders of the day for Tuesday, May 29, 2012, at 1:30 p.m.:
1. Prayer
2. Ministers’
Statements
3. Members’
Statements
4. Returns to Oral Questions
5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
6. Acknowledgements
7. Oral
Questions
8. Written
Questions
9. Returns to Written Questions
10. Replies to Opening Address
11. Relies to Budget Address
12. Petitions
13. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
14. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
15. Tabling of Documents
16. Notices of Motion
17. Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills
18. Motions
19. First Reading of Bills
20. Second Reading of Bills
21. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of
Bills and Other Matters
- Tabled Document 3-17(3), Northwest
Territories Main Estimates 2012-2013
- Tabled Document 2-17(3), Commissioner’s
Opening Address: Creating the Conditions for Success
- Bill 1, An Act to Amend the Student
Financial Assistance Act
22. Report of Committee of the Whole
23. Third Reading of Bills
24. Orders of the Day
Orders of the Day
Orders of the Day

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Accordingly, this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, May 29, 2012, at 1:30 p.m.
---ADJOURNMENT
The House adjourned at 6:09 p.m.