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Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have to go back to my issue with heritage and projects. Maybe it’s just the way that it’s written, but if I look on page 10-20, the NWT Arts Council gives contributions to artists and cultural groups – okay, that might include heritage – but then it goes on to

say to encourage creative artistic projects in visual literary performing and new media arts in the NWT. I would think that a heritage organization is not likely to want to do a creative artistic project.

I again would have to stress to the Minister that I don’t see much opportunity in here for a heritage organization like, say, the Norman Wells Heritage Society. They get funding for their building, yes, but do they get funding for outreach, for education purposes, for other programs that they might do? I don’t really see that there’s much in here. If it’s included – there’s cultural organizations on page 10-19 for $554,000 – if it’s included in there, then okay, fine. But I really don’t see where the word heritage is relative, is specifically related to programming on these three pages.

If I could maybe get a bit more explanation as to if the wording is incorrect and the word heritage needs to be added, or if there just isn’t money for heritage programming.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Mr. Lafferty.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. Some of the areas that we talk about, the heritage centre, $491,000, the cultural projects, preserving, identity enhancement, traditional cultures, and contribution to administration and operations, those are just some areas that will capture it. I understand where the Member is coming from with the arts council. New Northern Arts Program does capture to some degree northern film, part of the heritage.

I do take the Member’s comments into consideration, and we can definitely, well, we do have some highlights of what kind of organizations we currently sponsor. Based on that, we can identify if it’s part of the covering of heritage aspect. Duly noted. We can provide detailed information if that is the wish of the Members as well.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Just to comment, I appreciate that the Minister understands where I’m coming from. But if he’s looking for sort of what the groups are looking for, I would reference him to the letter which came on the Mine Heritage Society letterhead, signed by seven or nine, I think, different heritage groups within the NWT. There were a couple of requests in there which, if he’s looking for inspiration, could provide some. I’m not looking for further information than what’s here. That’s all.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Moving on with questions here, I have Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did want to follow up on top of page 10-19, the large item there, education authority contributions. I’d like to just find out where we’re at with the TSC chargeback. We have learned that we are starting to bring our health authorities into the fold with

TSC. The common comment from the Auditor General is that departments aren’t necessarily providing the standards and leadership that they could be for our authorities.

This is one area I think that could be very helpful, is if we’re all using the same system. So communications, and I think we’re working on the financial end of things, could be standardized. I’m not aware of any of the authorities planning to convert to our system as some of the health authorities are, but is there a plan? Is the department thinking about this? Where are we at on that front?

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Mr. Lafferty.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is an area that we have been discussing interdepartmentally. There is the TSC chargeback, I believe, in every department. Our Department of Education, Culture and Employment, I believe we’re one of the biggest users along with Health and Social Services because of our videos and linkage.

We’ve been exploring different options on how we can get away from that specific area where our Internet accessibility is quite large and part of the GNWT system. This whole fibre optic link and also the e-learning is a small piece of it, but that is an area that we have been exploring. I believe my director has been involved with the chargeback itself, and maybe he can provide the detailed breakdown.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Mr. Devitt.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Devitt

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The education authorities are on the government network. They separated their traffic to improve service, or at least the TSC has separated traffic. We do work very closely with the TSC in this area, if that’s what the Member was referring. I hope that answers his question.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Devitt. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

That’s news to me. I didn’t hear that discussed earlier when it was up. I appreciate that information. As I understand it, our education authorities do use our TSC programming but it’s done in a separate way. But they are integrated across authorities, so we just provide funding to them. Do they get chargebacks on their own? Would it show up in their budget, TSC chargebacks?

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Devitt

The network charges are budgeted in the directorate for the department and the network for the education authorities. I should point out that the education authorities are not on the government e-mail system and they don’t receive

the same technical support, but they are on the government network.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Who does their technical work then? Do they hire their own? How does that work?

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Devitt

For networking within the schools, they would either use their own staff or contract for that. TSC would take the network to the schools.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I think I’m understanding the system now. I don’t have the expertise to criticize or critique it. I guess I would ask if that is the most efficient, having TSC look after our GNWT throughout our communities, and now slowly adding all the health authorities, but having our education authorities contract their own separate maintenance system. Is there an opportunity for an efficiency there, or is that something the Minister would look at?

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Devitt

We did look at the system a couple of years ago. We did a study, and it did recommend some changes that we’ll be implementing in terms of standards. We’ll also, I’m sure, be looking at this and other areas as part of the renewal project.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

That’s good to know. Maybe that’s something the department could share with committee at some point just to see what those reports said. I’m glad efficiencies have been found and worked on. I guess I would just ask the Minister to be sure and include that, then, in the education renewal. That’s all I had.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. I think we have a commitment from the Minister on that, so we’ll take that as a yes then. Moving on with questions I have Mr. Moses.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a really quick question here on page 10-19 with the Healthy Children Initiative with the contributions to communities in the amount of $2.1 million. What type of integrated early intervention services is being offered? Can the Minister elaborate on these services and if it’s being offered to all 33 communities or not?

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Moses. Mr. Lafferty.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

I was just looking at the list and I’m not sure if it’s all 33 communities, but I do have quite a list here. It does capture early childhood, disabilities, district education, friendship centre, daycare society, nursery, library committee, and playschool and so forth. But I need to find out if it does capture all 33 communities, and if not, why not, and those types of questions. But this is all based on proposals that we receive from the communities. That’s what we have to date, the 2011-2012 actual numbers that we’re using, proposals that we receive, so I can provide that information to the Members. It is detail from the communities.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Just for clarification, this contribution here is open for all organizations that provide healthy children initiatives in the communities, so I’m assuming with it capped at $2.1 million it’s pretty well on a first-come, first-served basis.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

That’s correct. It’s open to anybody that wants to deal with the preventive measurement, the early children’s initiative and so forth, in the 33 communities that we service, so it is open to them.

Committee Motion 17-17(4): Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Lafferty. Committee, we’re combining 10-18, 19 and 20. Education, Culture and Employment, activity summary, education and culture, grants and contributions, grants, total grants, $52,000, contributions, total contributions, $168.801 million, total grants and contributions, $168.853 million. Does committee agree?