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Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to ask the Premier and his staff with this issue of devolution. We’re on the brink of some major changes in the Northwest Territories. We really are yet trying to assume and presume what kind of changes are going to come with devolution. We’re preparing our best. We’re getting our tools ready, and we’re getting the people ready, and we’re getting the communities ready for how it will impact our communities. One of the things I know about this change here, is that we must spread the word that devolution is coming. One of the things is, when I was even in the Sahtu, listen to the people.

I want to ask the Premier, in putting together the communications plan and harnessing the power of working together, we need that coalition, because it’s going to affect us, affect our grandchildren and so forth. We’re preparing something big for our people. I think by switching now from negotiations to implementation, we are actually planting some very strong seeds for change for our people. How do we communicate our vision for devolution?

I want to ask the Premier, my first question would be, as Mr. Miltenberger would say, how do we bring everybody under the tent. The whole North. My colleagues are talking about that. How do we bring them under one tent and say this is the deal, this is what we have?

The Premier talked about the amount of revenue coming in because of the deal and the amount of revenue that could be there waiting for us. It’s like a prosperity devolution because we’re going to receive additional dollars now that detours to the Northwest Territories and some will slowly trickle to Ottawa. That’s just the nature of the game here. We have all the Aboriginal governments who are settled on our side and we’re still working with the others on the unsettled land claim areas. We’re slowly aligning ourselves and strengthening our relationships.

This new trail that we’re carving out, called devolution, we’re becoming a developing nation just shy of being called a province. We’ve got provincial-like powers. That’s something that we need to look at. With all the talent and mustering all the skills that we have in the Northwest Territories with the first step of communicating, talking, listening to people is the Minister’s communication plan. Do we have enough time to advise our people well, and to say let’s grab our best players? Let’s do this job for us. People are credible.

I also want to give our Premier a pat on the back, saying this process is happening. I never thought it would be. It was only talk. Now it’s actually happening. It is scary because I’m not too sure, and that’s okay. It’s okay. Our people, we have to reassure them. How you reassure them is to go into the community and talk to them, talk about this stuff. Talk about the fears and the unknowns to make it known and that it’s going to be okay.

I want to ask the Premier, in his communication plan that we as MLAs would have some discussion and a team to go into our communities and start discussion right down the whole North, he’s already indicated he’s not too sure about the budget because he still has to work out some more plans. That’s understandable. On this important devolution deal, we’re going to have some time to talk to the people. Are you looking at something like a team to go into the communities along with our staff? We have various teams right now. We have the Addictions Forum team out there. We have the Mineral and the Economic Strategy. We’ve got some models already. I just want to raise this as a possibility and I’d like to hear what you have to say.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. McLeod.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have been to communities several times. We do have a process that we’ve been using. We’ve been going in partnership with regional Aboriginal governments and we’ve joined up together and gone to the various communities together. As I indicated earlier, we have developed a draft communications strategy. When we go to the regions, we go with our Aboriginal government partners. We will also go to all the communities and we will have our devolution team that will go. It will all be described in our draft communications strategy that we’ll be sharing with committee.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

The Premier is correct on the partnerships and I guess he’s looking at the different aspects of the Gwich’in, Inuvialuit, Sahtu, and how to work with them. When in Rome do as the Roman’s do sort of concept. I’m looking at the GNWT and I guess that’s how it will be done. It has to happen with the Akaitcho or the Dehcho, even in Yellowknife – there’s a large population here – Hay River, I guess, looking at those types of support for communicating the Devolution Strategy. I look forward to the draft communications strategy and I’m pressing to him to say yes, okay, we can maybe look at something like that, but he’s going to stay consistent with his draft communications strategy. That’s okay. I’m looking to see if there’s some flexibility, but it doesn’t seem to be getting to that point there. I’m going to leave it at that. I’ll see if I can use a different angle some other time and get to the Premier’s mind there.

I want to say that my other question is, with the devolution, will we have enough time to do the communication? Are we giving it enough time? There are still people in my communities who do not understand devolution. I understand, you see, if given dollars and whatever they do in the Sahtu with that money, it’s theirs, but I’m still getting people who are saying, but what is it? It might be a few people who understand but not the common folk that is based in the community and doesn’t go out too much. It might be our political leaders that are, and we really can’t tell them how to do their job. I do not want to assume that everybody knows, just because we give them the money that everybody knows. I hope our government doesn’t make that mistake by assuming that this is what’s happening. That’s what I’m mostly referring to.

When I was a negotiator in the Sahtu Land Claim we went door to door as chief negotiator in all five Sahtu communities. We voted on our land claims, with 97 percent in favour of settling our land claim. That’s what I want to press the point to the Premier, that communication, what he’s saying is key to having this deal and people saying yes, I understand it. That’s what I wanted to remind the Premier here. It’s a good deal. People should be celebrating when we sign the finalized deal, not asking any more questions. That’s what I go by. Mahsi cho.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

I think we’re saying the same thing. We’re planning to go the communities. In the regions we’re going to partner with our Aboriginal governments. We’re also going to go to the regions where the Aboriginal governments haven’t signed on. They’re going to come with us, their regional government, whoever is representing them. Even though they haven’t signed on, we’ve done that before where we’ve gone to the communities. For example, in the Deh Cho we’ve gone to the communities with Dehcho First Nation representatives. Then we’ll be going to all the communities and regional centres as well.

One more point I wanted to emphasize is we will also try to make sure that we communicate in their Aboriginal language that they speak in their communities. We’re going to provide for that as well.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Page 2-13, Executive, activity summary, directorate, operations expenditure summary, $6.756 million.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Page 2-14, Executive, activity summary, directorate, grants and contributions, grants, total grants, $185,000, total grants and contributions, $185,000.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Page 2-15, Executive, information item, directorate, active positions.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Page 2-17, Executive, activity summary, Ministers’ offices, operations expenditure summary, $3.635 million.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Page 2-18, Executive, activity summary, Ministers’ offices, grants and contributions, grants.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Page 2-19, Executive, information item, Ministers’ offices, active positions.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Page 2-21, Executive, activity summary, executive operations, operations expenditure summary, $7.552 million. Mr. Yakeleya.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to make a comment here to the regional operations. I spoke to the people in my region and they’re very, very happy that the regional operations for the overall management and the single window services centres are very good. I think they really were happy that we are continuing support and expanding in my region. They were quite happy with this. I think they said this is probably the best thing since sliced bread here. The people are happy and the people could have operations done in their own language, so this was good. Whoever thought about this idea, I mean, they should be getting the Premier’s Award on this one here. I just wanted to say that, Mr. Chair, that the people were quite happy with it.

The other issue I want to talk about is, the federal government is making a 10 percent cut right across the board with the band funding support and tribal council funding support, and it’s going to affect the Northwest Territories band office. I just, again, came from the Sahtu Dene Council meeting where this was brought up. The implementation of these cuts will take effect April 1, 2014.

I wanted to just raise it with the Premier here. Hopefully, we’ve got about a year’s grace time before the implementation takes effect. We should start looking at this issue, because if nothing gets done about it, closing some of the band council offices is a real possibility. Lutselk'e, Tsiigehtchic, Colville Lake, Tulita, they’re going to severely be hit by federal government cuts. There’s a formula that doesn’t quite work in our favour in the Northwest Territories and somehow we’ve got to let the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs, Aboriginal Affairs, the Minister know, or the Prime Minister know that this formula needs to be changed, and changed quickly, because I’ve seen the numbers

and we can’t operate our bands on $50,000 or $90,000. It’s like having those kinds of drastic cuts.

I’m looking forward to the Premier having some discussion. Not right now, but looking at this issue very seriously and seeing if the GNWT could help our band governments, the band offices deal with the federal government cuts and see if they could persuade the federal government to reconsider the special type of funding we get in the Northwest Territories. I wanted to raise that to the Premier under this page here.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Premier McLeod.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess I don’t mind taking responsibility for general service officers. But I think it was the staff of the Executive that came up with the idea. I think it was largely through the regional directors that work in the communities.

As far as cutbacks in band government funding, I’ve heard about it, but none of the chiefs have been in contact with me about it. I meet with the grand chiefs on a regular basis so we can ask them about it and see what the implications are.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

March 6th, 2013

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

I was notified, just saying that the bands were going to be, right across Canada get 10 percent. I didn’t really get into it until I got to Tulita and sat down with the chiefs and they started talking about some of the information, so I’m glad the Premier would be open to some discussion, if it does happen, with the chiefs and the councils and looking at the impacts of this funding that will be taking place here. It’s preliminary right now, just having an early discussion, and we’re not getting our feet dirty and our hands dirty on this issue here. I’m looking forward to the GNWT’s support to the bands that are going to be hit by these cuts. Tribal councils will also be hit. For example, the Sahtu Council fall under a tier one formula from $558,000, 2011-12. They’re going to be cut to $200,000; the same with the Akaitcho, Dehcho and Gwich’in tribal councils, because of that tier one funding they’ll be getting $200,000 a year now. That’s way over half of their funding, so that’s something that I’ll leave with the Premier to have some of his good people start doing some work on. I know that it’s an issue for the Sahtu Dene Council chiefs.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

I don’t have that information, but maybe if the Member could share it with us as a start.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Premier McLeod. Committee, we’re on 2-21. Continuing on with questions I have Ms. Bisaro.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have a couple of questions here. I wanted to also state that I think the single window service centres have been extremely well received. I’ve heard nothing but positive things about them. I think, in the Minister’s

remarks, he did talk about establishing three new government service officers in three new communities, and that’s great. I was wondering if the Minister or the department could advise what the end goal is here. How many communities do we want to get single window service centres? Where do we want to have them? How many are we going to end up with when we’re done expanding?