Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Item 8, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.
Debates of Feb. 21st, 2013
This is page numbers 2027 – 2062 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was health.
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Acknowledgement 2-17(4): Journeyman Red Seal Achievements By Constituents
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Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions
February 20th, 2013

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I talked about the emergency shelters and that there are none in the Sahtu region. I know there are some here in the larger centres. My questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services. I want to ask the Minister if Health tracks the origins of people using emergency shelters. I would like to know how many of those people are from the Sahtu region from last year.
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Beaulieu.
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions
Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu Minister of Health and Social Services
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the organization that is responsible for the day shelter here in Yellowknife tracks where the individuals are from. I don’t, unfortunately, have the breakdown with me in the House today of where each of those individuals are from.
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu
I would appreciate if the Minister could help me out here and maybe get the breakdowns, especially for the Sahtu region, on the emergency shelters. We are seeing an oil and gas boom in the Sahtu region and pressure on services and housing, and there are more alcohol problems. I want to ask the Minister why there are no emergency shelters in the Sahtu region.
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions
Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu Minister of Health and Social Services
Although I was not involved in the original decision to bring the shelters to the larger centres, I can assume that the shelters were based on people who were considered to be absolute homeless versus relatively homeless. What happens is, essentially people who are absolutely homeless are people who have absolutely no place to call their own and the relatively homeless people actually don’t have a place to call home but do have a place to live, such as people who sleep on couches, as the Member indicated. Why we don’t have shelters in all of the communities is largely due to the cost.
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu
The Minister raises a good point. We’re at the point now where people in the Sahtu, specifically if I name the community of Deline, people are staying in warehouses there. I know of at least five people who are living in makeshift warehouses and people are living in tents in the middle of 40 and 50 below weather. I want to ask the Minister how much support will be available through Health and Social Services if an emergency shelter was started in the Sahtu.
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions
Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu Minister of Health and Social Services
If an emergency shelter was started in the Sahtu, then the O and M to operate that shelter would come back to the Assembly. There would be a determination of which department would support the shelter and then that decision would come back to the Assembly on how much support would be needed and what type of support would be issued to such a shelter.
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will follow up tomorrow with questions to the Minister of Housing on this type of situation.
My last question to the Minister of Health and Social Services is: People who are categorized as disabled or with a disability, some of them are living in these shacks that I witnessed in Deline and probably other communities.
What provisions within the Department of Health and Social Services can these people receive for emergency shelter or some type of home that would assist them with their living conditions?
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
Oral Questions
Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu Minister of Health and Social Services
That is something I would take back to my department. I know there are no shelters or any type of homes targeted specifically for persons with disabilities. There is not, where such a category exists. There are categories of housing designed to accommodate persons with disabilities, but there are no programs targeted only for persons with disabilities.
Question 113-17(4): Need For An Emergency Shelter In The Sahtu Region
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The Speaker Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Mr. Dolynny.
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
Oral Questions

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I spoke on a sensitive topic pertaining to lack of legislation around the functioning of a crematorium. I want to convey again my respect of such topic to the many cultures sensitive to the subject.
The costs of a cremation are respectfully more affordable than traditional embalming, casket and burial. As I mentioned earlier today, without the proper legislation means we cannot have a functioning crematorium in the Northwest Territories. As a result, families must incur extra expenses to send loved ones to southern facilities. It is with this topic in mind I wish to address my questions today to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs.
Could the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs indicate any recent NWT statistics on the number of residents who are cremated versus traditional burial?
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
Oral Questions

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Robert McLeod.
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs doesn’t keep statistics related to death. However, based on the death registration statements filed with Vital Statistics, there were 113 burials and 34 cremations in 2012. These numbers are approximate as some members did not put burial or cremation on the statements.
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
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Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
I appreciate the Minister’s response to that. Seeing that regulation of a crematorium in Canada is a provincial/territorial responsibility, without the proper legislation could NWT municipalities grant status to the operation of a crematorium in the absence of NWT legislation?
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
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Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
We have not received any type of request from the funeral industry or from the community governments to establish cremation services in the Northwest Territories. In order to establish this industry, we would need to complete further research to better understand the legal requirements or the need for enabling legislation.
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
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Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
I agree that there ought to be a stepped approach for requirements. Is it safe to say that the need of a proper legislation for the functioning of a crematorium lies in the hands of the territorial government, yet we’re waiting for a request, I guess, from the general public or organization? Given that fact, we are only one of two remaining jurisdictions in Canada without such legislation, it bears to ask the question, could the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs consider such legislation in the absence of requests from public. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
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Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
We would have to weigh this against any other legislation that we are planning on bringing forward. Given that we haven’t had much contact with those who provide the service, it may not be a priority right now. However, that could change. If there’s a feeling that we need to proceed with this, then we’d have to step back and look at that, again considering the financial costs and the other legislation that we have right now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
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Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
Oral Questions

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess my last question for the Minister would be: If there was a formal application from an organization or municipality to start up the crematoria functionality, would the department or Minister be willing to look at legislation upon application? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
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Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Speaker, again, looking at the priorities as far as legislation goes, we would have to weigh this. Also, I said we haven’t had any feedback from industry or community governments on this particular type of legislation; however, if committee were to come forward with a request, we would have to have a look at it and explore options going forward from there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 114-17(4): Crematoria Legislation And Regulation
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Question 115-17(4): Enforcement Of National Building Codes And Standards
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on some questions that were asked by my colleague Mr. Dolynny yesterday. He asked some questions of the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs with regard to safety within our buildings.
I share Mr. Dolynny’s concerns about home safety, about construction of homes, installation of furnaces and so on. I feel, I think as he does, that the NWT lacks adequate inspection capabilities.
My first question to the Minister is: What building codes or what building standards exist in the NWT to guide construction? Thank you.
Question 115-17(4): Enforcement Of National Building Codes And Standards
Oral Questions

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. McLeod.