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Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Just on another note, under the Community Harvester Assistance Program, I will use the same community as an example, Fort McPherson. This program, by the time you break it down to each community, I believe they get about $12,500. When you have 50 harvesters in the community, for example in Fort McPherson which has just under a thousand people, it’s very difficult for the local RRC to divide that amount of money. At the end of the day, harvesters only receive maybe $100 or $200. That doesn’t go a long way when you are buying gas; that is barely a 45-gallon drum. I think we do need to take a better look at that. We are promoting our harvesting of wild furs, which is doing very well right now. That’s my question. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Blake. Minister Ramsay.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I mentioned earlier, the CHAP funding was doubled late in the life of the 16th Assembly, I

believe it was in 2010. We understand that there is a pressure on community hunters and harvesters to get out on the land. I have a breakdown of regional contributions under this. I don’t have it by community, but in the Inuvik region it was $266,000 and that would be divided, the Member is correct, by the communities that are there. I can get that further breakdown for the Member if he likes. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

As you know, in the Beaufort-Delta region there are almost 15 communities there so it doesn’t go a long way, but I think we need to relook at that. There are two different pots, actually, CHAP, as you mentioned and also, it is different under each land claim group, but it is the Gwich’in Harvester Assistance Program or the same under the Inuvialuit, but I think we do need to take a better look at that. There are more people wanting to go out and trap and hunt and make a partial living off of wild furs and hunting. It helps out a lot with the cost of living up in that area and I just wanted to raise that point. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

I certainly look forward to the discussion during the business planning process next fall. We also have the Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program. Just late last year we increased the Fur Revolving Fund by $600,000.

We have had a great deal of success in getting trappers top dollar for fur at market and we are seeing more people get out on the land that are trapping and pursuing that activity. It has been very successful for us, and again, I look forward to the questions in the fall in the business planning process. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, just along those lines, I have maybe more of a recommendation that maybe the Minister work with the Minister of ENR to try to work out some sort of an increase in price for beaver pelts. Many people in the Beaufort-Delta will know the population has really exploded up in that area and I’m sure it’s the same in all areas, but there is just no demand for those pelts right now. Instead of letting the population double and double, I think we need to help manage that resource and try to put I don’t know whether it’s a bounty to help harvesters try to harvest those furs. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Mr. Chairman, that is a good recommendation by the Member and it is certainly something that I can discuss with the Minister of ENR, Minister Miltenberger. We can have a discussion about that. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Ramsay. Committee, we are on 12-30 to 12-33. I have Ms. Bisaro.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just couldn’t let this section go by without asking about the Business Development Investment Corporation. I recognize that we have the Investment Corporation and they are to support economic objectives of the GNWT, to help the development of northern businesses and so on, but I read the description of activities under the department itself and it seems to me that we are duplicating investment services. We have investment services through the department and we have investment services through the BDIC.

I’ve talked to the Minister about this before, and I guess I would just like to know if the Minister has done any consideration of combining investment services so that they are all in one place so that we don’t have people working in two different places basically doing the same thing.

I believe the Minister earlier spoke to a review of BDIC, and I guess my question is whether efficiency in BDIC and in the investment section of ITI is something that is being considered as part of the review of BDIC. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Mr. Ramsay.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We had a review of the Business Development Investment Corporation. We’ve just got that report back. We’re currently reviewing that report. It’s our expectation that we’ll have to respond to that report, at which time there are going to be some decisions,

obviously, that will need to be made, and we certainly look forward to sharing the report and its findings with Members and talking about next steps forward when it comes to the Business Development Investment Corporation and where we go from here. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for the explanation. My understanding was the review was looking at the programs of BDIC. My question goes to a bigger picture to the whole issue of duplication of services. Is that something that is/was part of the review? If not, is it something that the Minister will consider in addition to this current review? Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

The program review was for programs and services delivered by BDIC. That also gets to efficiency and effectiveness of those programs. That certainly would draw us into having some question about, I know the Member calls it duplication, and if we could look into a different way of doing things, those things are going to be taken into consideration. We’re not making decisions overnight. This is going to be something that we put a lot of thought and effort into. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

I appreciate that this isn’t being rushed into. I’m never one to rush into anything and do it post-haste. I just wonder if the review is looking at, and again I’ll call it duplication of services, and the Minister may not agree and that’s fine and dandy, but it’s my understanding that somebody starting a business will need to or can go to ITI for certain things, can go to BDIC for certain things and it seems to me that if we are investing in businesses in the NWT, we would want to make it as easy as possible for somebody to go to one place and get everything that they need, advice from start to finish and the ability to get the money they need in one place and not have to go to one place for money and another place for advice. Is that something that has been part of the review of BDIC? Again, if not, will it be considered as the Minister is looking at making changes? Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Yes, getting back to the review on effectiveness and efficiency, the answer to the Member’s question is yes. As we move this forward, I look forward to the input of Regular Members on where we go from here. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

I guess I’d just like to ask the Minister when he expects that review will be available to Members. I certainly look forward to reading it and being able to provide some input on where we go next. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Before the end of the fiscal year, I could say with some certainty.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Committee, we are on page 12-33, activity summary, economic

diversification and business support, grants and contributions, $13.858 million. Agreed?

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you. Committee, page 12-34, economic diversification and business support, active positions. Any questions?

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you. Page 12-35, information item, lease commitments - infrastructure. Any questions?

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Seeing none, page 12-36, information item, Fur Marketing Service Revolving Fund. Any questions?

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.