This is page numbers 5611 – 5653 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was health.

Question 650-17(5): Youth Mental Health Services
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake. The Minister of Health, Mr. Abernethy.

Question 650-17(5): Youth Mental Health Services
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A number of the programs that we deliver are not age specific. The NWT Helpline is available to youth. We have some specific suicide intervention programming and training that we’re trying to get into the schools and I believe we’ll be able to get into a number of the schools this year. There’s a number of programs that are available for youth, but all the programs are available for youth as well. Thank you.

Question 650-17(5): Youth Mental Health Services
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Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Is the department developing programs to educate our youth on signs of depression and who they can speak to? Thank you.

Question 650-17(5): Youth Mental Health Services
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

There’s a program that we’re supporting called Talking About Mental Illness, which is actually a program that we’re intending to get into the schools, which will encourage people, youth, to talk about mental health issues and we’re anticipating seeing some of the delivery of that this fiscal year. Thank you.

Question 650-17(5): Youth Mental Health Services
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. The Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to continue my questions to the Minister of Health and Social Services in regard to the mental health services provided in our small communities.

The Minister’s Forum on Addictions and Community Wellness, Healing Voices, has 67 recommendations and 12 members that visit 21 communities. In there, in the recommendations, 47 to 51 talks specifically about mental health in our communities and these recommendations are very, I would say, shallow. So I want to ask the Minister, this indication as to the type of mental health support in our small communities, it’s really, really shallow in terms of people not really understanding, as my colleague Mr. Blake talked about, even for the youth.

What has the Minister’s department done to follow up and strengthen or implement these 67 recommendations under the Minister’s Forum on Addictions and Wellness?

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The Minister of Health, Mr. Abernethy.

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Mental Health and Addictions Action Plan that came out from the Department of Health and Social Services moves a long way to supporting the recommendations that are in the Minister’s Forum.

We do have community counsellors in most of the communities in the Northwest Territories who can provide direct counselling, whether its addictions related or whether its mental health related. There’s also NWT Helpline that we strongly encourage people to call if they’re unable to talk to anybody else. In the communities they’d have nurses. The nurses are also there to provide referral services to individuals who are seeking addictions treatment or have other mental health issues that they’d wish to address. They can certainly get referrals to other practitioners throughout the Northwest Territories right from their communities.

So there are a number of things that are available within the communities themselves. We also have programs in the schools like the Talking About Mental Illness, we’ve got the promotion campaigns that are out there, the Feel Real Radio which is transmitted everywhere that CKLB transmits, encouraging people and youth to talk about mental health issues as well. Thank you.

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

I read a report on the impact of residential schools and other root causes for poor mental health in Aboriginal people and students who attended residential schools and the devastating effects is has on mental health. We have reports on the residential school survivors that

cannot access treatment programs right now in the Sahtu region, people who are being denied. We cannot close their files because they cannot fulfill a treatment program under the mental health Minister’s Forum on Addictions. We’re failing terribly at the community level.

How many mental health workers are right now working in the Sahtu and which communities do have mental health workers?

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

I can’t honestly remember which communities are actually currently filled and which communities are not filled. We do have turnover in these communities, but I will commit to getting that information for the Member.

I’d also like to ask the Member if he could share that document with us that articulates the individuals he feels are being failed and we can have further discussion on that as well. Thank you.

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

The last count, as the Minister of Education said, there’s 5,500 so far that he knows of, of people in the Northwest Territories who have attended the residential schools. I say that number is higher, up to at least 10,000. That is devastating in the Northwest Territories. If you look at the history of the residential schools and the terrible effect it had on residential school survivors and their mental health, we have yet to come a long, long way to provide good mental health. So I’d be happy to share this with the Minister.

I want to ask, has this department looked at any type of mobile training or mobile treatment for residential school survivors who aren’t able yet to get into a treatment program to look at their wellness issues?

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you. We are pursuing a mobile treatment option available to all residents of the Northwest Territories, some of who might actually be survivors of residential schools. I would also like to just remind the Member that based on discussions that we’ve already had, I’ve had the Executive and the Department of Health and Social Services get in touch with the federal government to find out what, if any, transition planning can be put into place as they exit the field around the residential school survivors. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At one time the Grollier Hall Healing Society was involved in the court process up in Inuvik, and the Grollier Hall Healing Society developed training modules, residential school treatment program models, care givers survivors, community survivors.

Can the Minister go back in history and see if these models can be used today? These were trailblazers in terms of helping the survivors in the

communities. Can the Minister look and say, yes, the wheel has been invented, we can use this? Can he get a hold of those models and look for…

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

I’m not a great big fan of recreating the wheel if it’s already working well. But we would have to explore these programs. They may no longer be relevant; they might be relevant. We’re certainly willing to look at other programs, and I’d appreciate if the Member could maybe share some of his insight into these programs with us as well. In particular, which ones he thinks were really effective and which ones maybe weren’t so effective. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 651-17(5): Mental Health Services In Small Communities
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Moses.

Question 652-17(5): Mental Health Commission Of Canada Report
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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I made references to two different reports that came out. One was the Mental Health Indicators for Canada. I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services if he or his department is familiar with this report that was released on January 22nd and if it’s been something

that’s been brought up a lot among the Health and Social Services Ministers across the country. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 652-17(5): Mental Health Commission Of Canada Report
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses. Minister of Health, Mr. Abernethy.

Question 652-17(5): Mental Health Commission Of Canada Report
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department does keep up on most of the publications that are out there with respect to health and social services and mental health. I haven’t personally seen it myself, but I will confirm, I will check with the department to confirm they have it.

We haven’t had any tri-territorial meetings with the Ministers of Health and Social Services since January 29th , so the answer to his second part is

no.

Question 652-17(5): Mental Health Commission Of Canada Report
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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

This document, the Mental Health Indicators for Canada, will help paint a complete picture of mental health throughout this country and also here in the Northwest Territories. It’s going to allow us to tell us how well we are doing or how poorly we are doing in terms of the health system in responding to Canadians’ mental health and well-being and their needs and what we need to do to effect the change and also here in the Northwest Territories.

Will the Minister and his department look at these? There are 13 indicators. Will he and his department look at these 13 indicators, compare it to our Mental Health and Addictions Action Plan and see if there’s anything that we need to incorporate or change, so

that these indicators can help us, direct us in making the decisions to help those that need mental health services? Thank you.

Question 652-17(5): Mental Health Commission Of Canada Report
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

The Department of Health and Social Services has just recently put in 32 indicators to monitor the effectiveness of the health and social services system here in the Northwest Territories. But we also rely on information that other organizations are putting together to help us make informed decisions here in the Northwest Territories, organizations such as CIHI. Any nationally recognized organization that is doing this type of an analysis, we do get the information and we do look at it. We’re always looking for ways to improve our reporting mechanisms. So, we will certainly look at that, and if there’s any need to update or enhance our 32 indicators, we’re always looking to improve it.

Question 652-17(5): Mental Health Commission Of Canada Report
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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

I’m glad that the department is keeping up to date on all these national standards. In fact, this is the first ever national level set of indicators that identifies and reports on the mental health of Canadians.

So I’d like to ask the Minister, if this report is something that the department wants to move forward on, will he bring together stakeholders to look at these indicators and act on them, much like the Anti-Poverty Strategy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 652-17(5): Mental Health Commission Of Canada Report
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

We already have a Mental Health and Addictions Action Plan, and as far as indicators to help us identify whether we’re on the right track, or whether we have to amend our approach, we’re always looking for ways to improve what we do.

The Mental Health and Addictions Action Plan is a living document and it will continue to move forward and it will continue to evolve as realities change. As we learn more through new indicators, it would be inappropriate for us to remain static. We will have to be flexible.

Question 652-17(5): Mental Health Commission Of Canada Report
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. The Member for Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro.

Question 653-17(5): Mental Health Services For The Homeless
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to revisit some of my questions with the Minister of Health and Social Services. The Minister mentioned, in the response to my last question, that basically in communities people can simply go to somebody and get treatment. I’d like to say to the Minister that homeless people are generally not proactive and they’re not generally recorded. They tend to operate on their own. So, without an advocate, I’d like to ask the Minister, how does he expect that a homeless person will take advantage of opportunities that do exist in a community?